[INTERVIEW] How to Live Fearless with ACIM by Karen Kenney

by Maria Felipe

In this interview I have Spiritual Mentor, Writer, Speaker – Karen Kenny – on. She shares with us epic insights on how to forgive and get the hell out of your own way. She is a Boston spitfire who talks straight to your heart & mind with her impeccable techniques and clues around Living Fearless!
This interview in my opinion is better than some talks from Master Teachers due to Karen’s authenticity and practicality she brings to life.

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https://www.karenkenney.com/

TOPICS COVERED:
-How to deal with a loss (Karen shares a personal story on how she was able to forgive the man that killed her mother)
– How to choose love over fear
– Forgivness
-How valuing form hurts us
– Spiritual Morning Routine
– Karen shares helpful nuggets of her spiritual practice

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TRANSCRIPT

Maria Felipe:                00:03                Hi everyone and welcome to Live Your Happy TV. I am Maria Felipe and I am so excited to be joining you with just another amazing guest on, on our channel. Um, I love doing these every month and I love bringing somebody new and Christians really has a good eye for bringing us really great teachers. And He fell in this, this gem and I just really like her. She’s very spunky. She kind of reminds me of, of like the Boston version of me. And she has a spiritual mentor and a writer and a speaker and her name is Karen Kenney. And she’s the founder of Fearless Flow. She does her brand and she helps people get the hell out of their way. She says the word F, but I’m seeing all these people get the hell out of their own way, which I love because it’s, you know, my book is called live your happy, get out over your own way and find the love within. So it’s totally in alignment with my work. So I figured, Hey, let’s have her on. So,

Karen Kenney:              01:14                Hey, thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited. I’ve been aware of you and your sweetie, um, as individuals, but I wasn’t aware that you were together and I’m so excited to like make that connection, have that Aha moment. I love the work that both of you are doing. I have your, uh, we just talking about that. I have your book back here. Love it. Yeah. So it’s such a joy and a pleasure to be a guest, so thank you for having me.

Maria Felipe:                01:37                Well, I’m grateful to be here and I love that my book is such in Good Company with Gary’s books because his books are so good.

Karen Kenney:              01:43                So it’s an honor. I have a ton of, I actually like my course in miracles library is huge, but most of it’s downstairs, but I was like, ah, I have a few, I have a few pm today in case we need to reference them or whatever. But I definitely wanted to bring you guys up, psl.

Maria Felipe:                01:59                Awesome. Thank you. Well, the first thing I wanted to get started with is when you say you help people get out of their own way or out of their way, what do you mean? I mean, I think for me it’s that we’re all,

Karen Kenney:              02:13                so I’m a writer and a storyteller. And so as a storyteller I love stories. And what I always say is, you know, stories are a total blast until your story is that telling you, and I always say like, I love to tell stories, but as soon as your story sad to tell you that you’re not good enough, you’re not smart enough, you’re not lovable, that you are a sin sinner. Like whatever the crap is that you’re, you’re ahead is telling you, then we’re in trouble. And so one of the things I like to help people do is to, um, I talk about it like an a four step process where we tell the story, right? We acknowledge, okay, these are the things I believe that happened within this illusion or whatever. Tell the story, let go of the story, rewrite the story, and then go out into the world and live the new story.

Karen Kenney:              02:57                And I think so often we do get in our own ways about these conditioned beliefs or these old stories we tell ourselves about ourselves. I brothers and sisters, the world, what God is, who we think we are. And we’re always just getting in our own way, all those barriers at the core stocks about, and I, all these barriers to our own awareness of love’s presence. And so I like to kind of go in and help people remove the barriers and get out of their own way so that they can actually have like what you talk about, like live in a really happy, joyous way and, and not this fake kind of, I’m just going to fake it till I make it, but like really truly feel aligned and connected, um, with your spiritual team, with God, with love, and so that they can show up in a really helpful way so that they actually show up in the world as being helpful and not a hindrance.

Karen Kenney:              03:48                Yeah. And, and I love that you say feel, you know, you’ve got to feel your feelings. There’s a part of my book that I actually say that feel your feelings and the courses teaching. And it’s actually to really go within and to heal, um, you know, all that darkness to really go within and see and feel and you have to go through that kind of purge of all that. Um, all that unconscious guilt that is within, which is relates to all the stories that we make up and grow us and our barriers. And so I feel like it’s, it’s important what you’re saying, cause I feel that some people would just want to skip and not feel fat, don’t want to do the work. And they’re like, Oh, I want to heal. But not really because they just like didn’t just want to jump over and they don’t want to feel your feelings.

Karen Kenney:              04:33                They want to just, you know, watch tv or you know, not meditate or not do the work. So it’s interesting. So I love that you say that. The part about, you know, really going there and digging, digging deep and, and, and going, seeing what those barriers are, rewriting stories. Cause I think that one of the reasons we suffer is because of, of the stories that we’ve made up that are not even remotely true, but they feel very real. Yes, yes. And so one of the things I always tell my mentoring clients, you know, we hear it a lot, like it can be so easy for course, of miracles, people to do the hall, but it’s not real. And I’m like, yeah, but you’re missing the level of teaching where it feels real to people. So I always say to people, yes, don’t make it real and really just don’t make it a big deal.

Karen Kenney:              05:19                This is, this is, this is just the human experience in the illusion is that we do feel separate and we do feel competitive and we do feel a little insane. You know? And one of the lines, I love him, of course in miracles where it says, forgive yourself your madness. And that’s what it is. We kind of have this madness, you know, about us. And I think that until you, so in Yoga we often say in order to heal, you need to feel. And it’s like, so it’s not skipping that important part of acknowledging your suffering. And, and, and what I always say to people is just don’t build an altar to your suffering. Don’t set a plate for it at your table. Have experience. Acknowledge, yes, this thing happened. But you know, Marianne talks about it. Um, my friend Marianne Williamson once said, beautiful thing to me.

Karen Kenney:              06:05                She said, anytime that you don’t drag your past into the present, you are reborn. And I love to think about that. And like so many of us do is like, we carry this big bag full of our past in our history and our stories and it’s like we show up in relationships and then we’re like, hi, it’s me and here’s all my shit. He’s all my stuff that I’m bringing with me. And it’s like, oh, I’ll set. No thanks. You know what I mean? So it’s like our job to like come correct and really look at those places where we are hauling around these unresolved feelings. And once you actually face them and meet them head on, you can transform them with the help of spirit, Holy Spirit, Jesus, whoever you consider to be, you know, your help is, you know.

Maria Felipe:                06:51                Yeah. It’s so powerful. I love everything you’re shaking because I feel that, you know, we, we, we make things going back to what you were saying before is like, we really make things matter. Um, and I talk about this a lot of like we make it such a big deal and we get tranced out and, um, you know, the spirit, it’s very light. It’s very flowy. It doesn’t, it doesn’t make things so real, but that the eagle makes it very real and it feels real because we’re feeling it. Yes. The story thing is really, I identify with it, especially the relationships part, because, you know, my, my biggest grievance in this lifetime and one of my biggest forgiveness lessons has been relationships, which I could relate to being, you know, I would get lost in my relationships, especially with men. I would make men, my God.

Maria Felipe:                07:35                Yes. Um, towards the end I remember, you know, towards the end of my book, I talk about this, of that I finally had a healing when I was able to do the work that you do, which is, which is go back to my stories. And I remember that one day I was suffering on my couch and just thinking about the sky I was going out with then thinking of a hallmark of how am I going to text him? How am I going to get them to come over after he told me that he wasn’t good at relationship material and I’m trying to get him over to my house

Karen Kenney:              08:05                after he’s told you I’m no good and you incest, I know it’ll be different. Oh well fix it. Yeah. Cause we’re crazy. Yeah. Forgive yourself your madness. Because we’re nuts. Yes. Go ahead and sorry. This is what we do. So, so

Maria Felipe:                08:18                I was like on the couch and thinking and I don’t know. And then all of a sudden I just felt so sad. I was like, why can I have the opposite of this? Why can’t I have the opposite of the stress? Why can I have the opposite of like, I’m not worthy of love? Why can’t this be easy? Like I feel like, um, I feel like I, this, this didn’t come easy to me, this, this, this thing with, with having relationship and love in my life. Oh, romance and the Holy Spirit. I literally, I had like a revelation of just a, uh, inspire thought that said you need to forgive and you know, the course, which we’ll get into now. You know, we’ll talk about forgiveness. But yes. And I was like, I need to forgive and I need to forgive what you know, and the voice and the voice said, you need to forgive your father.

Maria Felipe:                09:03                And my father had passed away from, he committed suicide when I was three months old. So basically I downloaded the seventh step. It’s called, it’s funny, it’s called the seven step fearless process. So it goes to help me with what you, with your work. It was really the seven step forgiveness process, but we put it in the fearless chapter. So it’s seven step fearless. And I had to do what you’re saying. I went back and had to go back in time and go back to the story that I made up about my father. I made it mean that he abandoned me when he committed suicide. Yes. And then not only that, Karen, the voice said I had to forgive all the men in my life. I had to go back in time and forgive them all. And I was like, Holy Shit, that’s a big list. That’s a big list.

Maria Felipe:                09:50                So I went through every week I, I, I pick every week. Every day I picked a few, a few men, and every day I healed and I went back in time of the story I made up about it. And then with Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit, help me to be able to rewrite the story and to be able to see it differently. So it’s kind of what you’re talking about, which is really neat. And I feel that, that, that process, even though it kicked my ass, it was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done in my life. Still tired. It was like having the flu. Yes. I feel that at that moment, Karen, I felt that finally I had had a healing happen of where I was able to allow Christian to come in my life because there was no space for him. And where I was before his soul would not, would not be with, uh, so like mine at the time that was so neat and wasn’t looking for love outside of me and for him to complete me. Christian soul does not like that. So do I need it to have like this clean slate and this selfless to be able to have such a beautiful spirit? Yes.

Karen Kenney:              11:05                Yeah. I told him, I’m hearing everything you saying loud and clear and I’m just like laughing because I’m like, Yup, Yup. Um, yeah. I’ve been telling my students or my clients like, it’s hard to be full of God that’s had to be full of love when you’re already full of shit. And so it’s like they’ll totally being able to go in and however you describe it, like heal those wounds, let go of the stories we rewrite the story is like the language doesn’t even really matter. It’s just that you’re actually doing the work and, and that’s forgiveness, this forgiveness task, this overwhelming tasks that you just described where you had to go in and do all that. Um, I had my own version of it and my version of it is, is that my mom was murdered when I was 12 and she started coming to me in my dreams and saying, I’ve forgiven the man that killed me.

Karen Kenney:              11:53                It’s your turn. But I had no idea how to do that. And that’s really eventually what led me to Marianne Williamson and her book or retort turns led me to a boss and miracles. And it was through that process of really like diving into that wound and figuring out like, wow, how do you forgive? You know, and look, everybody’s got their story. It’s not like my story is special, but something of that magnitude where somebody’s like, as a little kid, you feel like you’re, you were three months old, so you weren’t able to process it at that time, but you still felt the effects of that, that missing person in that loss. Even if another person came in physically to take on that role in some way. You still like, I just think that psychic wound that we have or whatever you’re aware of it. And so the power of a course in miracles was to be able to really reframe all of these stories I had written about, um, my mother leaving and the way that she left because it was so violent and brutal and her suffering.

Karen Kenney:              12:54                And I realized that like, the only time that I suffer about my mom is when I think of her final moments of suffering. Otherwise, if I choose to place my mind where I want it, which is the beautiful time I had with her in those 12 short years, then I am in a joyous thing. And so, you know, when the chorus says, and you know, they say it in other disciplines too, like yoga and stuff, that an untrained mind, an undisciplined mind can accomplish nothing. And I always laugh and I’m like, no, it actually accomplishes a lot of suffering is what it does. Because if I can’t control the place, my mind where I want it, it’s going to go willy nilly because that little ego is such a bastard. Like it wants you to feel separate. It wants you to feel small and scared and insecure and unaware of your own power.

Karen Kenney:              13:42                And so, um, what I like a gift and a blessing and I know everybody usually has a story of how the course found them. I always say I didn’t find the chorus. The chorus came to me and a totally radically, radically changed my life because it taught me how to change my thoughts. And it taught me that I had a choice about the quality of thoughts I was having. And you know, to kind of go back to that feeling thing like we are taught, you know, all this, but we’re taught that, you know, the world is the cause of our suffering. Um, and that we just can’t help how I feel. How many times have you heard people say, but it’s just how I feel. I can’t help it. It’s just how I feel. And I always try to remind myself first of all. And then other people, it’s like your feelings are actually generated by a thought that you have.

Karen Kenney:              14:31                So if you don’t like how you’re feeling, choose a better feeling thought. And that’s what I learned to do with my mom is I chew, you know, and I’m writing a memoir like Uim. I’m actually, I’m a writer and so I’m writing a memoir about my mom and that forgiveness process and journey and all that. Um, and so I have to think about those final awful, I’m gone and seen the evidence. I’ve seen the brutality. I’ve, you know, I’ve held pieces of her teeth in my hands from the evidence room and like, you know, I’ve placed myself there specifically, but I did it out of love. Like I did it to be able to tell her story, but in a way where it’s actually redundant, redemptive now. Like it actually transcends the brutality and it moves into a place of healing. And so, you know, I just totally hear you about being like the willingness that it takes, the cards that it takes Maria to go and do what you did and to really face that, whether you were three months

Maria Felipe:                15:32                older, not like that. I always say like,

Karen Kenney:              15:35                as long as we have bodies, we believe that they’re real. So there’s this DNA thing where that’s like one of those wounds and then to understand like, oh, that, that initial core wound has affected every other choice.

Maria Felipe:                15:49                Hmm.

Karen Kenney:              15:50                So if I was abandoned at this young, like, yeah, I don’t deserve much, so I’m just going to keep choosing guys. So even if they tell me they’re not good relationship material, I’m not going to listen. You haven’t done it. I just love that you shared that and that you have, you had the guts of the Chutzpah, the balls and whatever, to go back and say, this is my word.

Maria Felipe:                16:11                This isn’t for anybody else to fix for me. Like this is my word.

Karen Kenney:              16:15                And that is about living fearlessly, which I love.

Maria Felipe:                16:19                Yeah. And, and it’s, I think that, you know, it’s true because I felt that at that moment I, it’s so unconscious cause I was like, forgive my father. I don’t even remember him. It was like I was getting one’s old. So the wound is so unconscious and, but when I went back in time and I started to say the story, there was so much that came, all these tears came and all this deep wounded sadness. I was like, what? Like I had no idea this was what they need some carrying around that. And not only that, then going to all the other relationships and how, how destructive they were, how I really accepted men into my life. And I, and I, and I, I mean it was just horrifying, like the type of relationship. So I would have, and I didn’t realize it until I did that process, but going back to what you’re saying, I feel that it takes something, you know, I just wrote an article on it that an article that really says that says basically the title is it takes something and I feel like this whole spiritual process of healing, like for instance, like what you do with your mom that you know, a lot of people can relate to.

Maria Felipe:                17:31                Especially I’m happy you brought that up because I’m sure a lot of people that are watching this, it’s helpful to be able to hear your story of how you’re able to see death differently. Yes, that’s like a big thing and I feel that for instance, for myself, it’s like I, I you, you have to want to heal period.

Karen Kenney:              17:50                And I remember when I was doing the process and I was crying every day and I was doing this process with men and it really took a horn is like you said, it really took off. I remember when I was like, God spirit, I just want to have love in my life. I want to feel worthy of having somebody in my life so I can share my life with my ministry with. And I remember Spirit’s saying, no you don’t. No, you’re not ready. And I was like, what the hell? I’m crying every day. I’m doing this work. You know what I love that spirit spoke to me like that cause it kicked me in the butt because I feel like I did want to heal, but not really because I still want to hang onto something. Right, right, right. So whether it’s one of the exercises I do at my retreats where I ask people, you know, what are you getting out of being a victim?

Karen Kenney:              18:43                What are you getting out of not forgiving, holding onto that and grievance like a, like a lifeline. Like you, you can’t let it go no matter what. Like what’s that about? You’re getting something from it and they get so pissed. They’re like, what do you mean? And I said, yeah, you would think, because that’s crazy behavior. You know, if you’re drowning, holding onto the anvil or the egg is not the smart thing to do. But it’s what we do. And instead of choosing Holy Spirit and saying, please help me to see myself, this person, this situation differently, we’re so attached to being right. So that classic quote from the course, right, do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? And most people will say both. Yeah. If they’re honest, they’ll say both. But it takes something. And I would say that, you know, looking back, you know, your father’s death and my mother’s death, that was a something for us.

Karen Kenney:              19:33                And I’m so grateful for it. Like now of course, of course I would, I would love to have my mom back with me. Um, she was the center of my universe. I love of my life. But um, from that initial loss I had the sat asking those big questions at a much younger age and it put me on this quest for like, what’s this all about at a much younger age. And I’m so grateful for that because I wouldn’t have found people like Gary and Maryanne and you and the books and like all the sudden the community of people who are not just trying to heal themselves, but he write right, the consciousness, that one mind that we all share so that we can all go home and it’s really powerful. I’m so grateful for those experiences now and I don’t, I don’t try to push it away.

Karen Kenney:              20:22                I don’t push away in the shit that’s uncomfortable. I’m like bring it because you know pat of like feel flow. Like people always send me like what is fearless flow? And I always say, well, that hat I feel is flow stats with that line of, of course in miracles it says, if you knew who walked beside you on this way that you have chosen fear would be, you would realize that fear is impossible. And so realizing that we don’t have to do it on our own, we’re not doing it on our own. And then another quote that really resonates with me that speaks to fearless flow is from a, um, a Buddhist teacher named Richard Ricard. Matthieu I something and he says that like genuine fearlessness arises with the confidence that we can go within ourselves and find whatever we need to handle whatever is arising. And I think those are the gifts that of course in miracles really gave me was the understanding that what I thought what I was seeking was not something out there that everything like the Kingdom of Heaven is here and now if I am just will receive it if I am ready to receive it. And so like when spirits said to, you know, Maria, you’re not ready. And it’s like, but look at all the time.

Karen Kenney:              21:33                But we really do have to do that deep cleansing on so many levels in order to really receive it. And so I just love that you’re doing this work too and that you’re, you know, teaching and trying to help people make their way because it’s hard and it’s really scary when you think you’re doing it on your own.

Maria Felipe:                21:52                Yeah. And I love that you brought up our inner teacher Holy Spirit, because I think that that is, you know, those, that’s the key for me, you know, to be able to live the happiness that I’m experiencing now has been to really develop, uh, an amazing relationship with my internal teacher. And that’s what the course is teaching us. You know, the course is basically teaching us forgiveness and the way to forgiveness is through holy spirit and, and to really cultivate a relationship with that voice. And there’s a beautiful lesson that’s called am sustained by the love of God and, and if and if we are sustained by the love of God, I feel that bringing in spirit and asking for help is, is our duty as, as teachers, as students is whatever you want, call it everyday people is to really go within and ask for help. And I feel that, I love how you worked with a process with your mom of where it was spirit you worked out to see it differently and you didn’t do it by yourself. Karen, Karen, Karen is the separate itself. Didn’t do it by yourself. You had to bring in spirit so you can start to discern, hey, you know, the story is not true that I’m seeing about my mom and this one is, and that’s what spirit helps us with, not us. Then individual self spirit helps us to be able to, to see it differently.

Karen Kenney:              23:01                Oh yeah. That’s the key teaching here, you know, yeah. Is to really be able, right. So that’s what the miracle your mind from fear to love to put on. I always say I call it putting on your love glasses or seeing through a different Lens. Because my, my, my, my human scope, like as I say, like human eyes actually don’t see, right. So it’s like looking for, looking for that kind of omnipotent site where it’s like we’ve transcended the battleground and that’s what this is really, I mean, this life can feel like such a battle ground. And David Hoffmeister said something really fascinating, uh, one time in a video that I watched and, and he was talking about how it doesn’t actually work to bring the course to this world and ask it to fix our problems in this. It’s about the transcendent. It’s about bringing the darkness to the light.

Karen Kenney:              23:49                And I love that. And in the beginning I think that’s all we’re doing. And we’re like, you know, even with like when people talk about law of attraction or whatever, it’s like, oh, I’m just going to attract all this shit to me because I think I’m lacking because I feel like something’s missing. And I’m like, just the very thought of trying to attract things to you from a place of lack is the problem. And I was like, so realizing that within us is such abundance and access to the Holy Spirit. Like what a gift that is. I always say it’s like being the tap into that part of your mind that’s always in communion with God. And it’s right there. And I think what the problem is is we’re not taught that. We’re not taught that as little people that within us we have like the bat phone to God.

Karen Kenney:              24:33                Do you know what I mean? It’s like you gotta go out there and you, you got to get all this external validation and buy in. And for me, like a personal answer, sort of like a personal analogy. A story was, I just remembered when I had turned so 17 going on 18 and I had told myself, because the guy that killed my mother went to jail. And I was like, and nobody in my family talked about it. And what had happened, it was like my mother disappeared over night. And that’s where a lot of my suffering came from, was her disappearance. But I told myself, okay, I’m 18 now. When I turn 18 I’m going to go to the prison now again, wrote a story, wasn’t sure if they’d actually really let me talk to him, but that was my plan. I’m going to go talk to this guy and I’m going to ask him, why did you do this?

Karen Kenney:              25:16                Why did you do this? And as soon as I know why, as soon as I get him to tell me what happened that night and why, then I’ll be at peace and right. And so I was like, why? Why, why, why? So then I basically realized that, um, that that was going to be my ticket to home, to have peacefulness. So right before, so it’s, it’s like I’m, I’m at Bu, I’m at College at Boston University and it’s like finals week. And I’m like, I’ve got one more test. I go home tomorrow, I’m going to go do this whole thing. And my boyfriend called me and he was acting really weird. And I said to him, what’s going on? And he said, Paul, the guy that killed my mother, right? Um, just hung himself in prison. He’s done. And I was like, cause now my access to the answers, well there, which I thought were my access to piece, it was just crushed.

Karen Kenney:              26:13                And I look back now and I think, oh my God, like my spiritual team was always setting me up to stop looking out there. I go in, go in, go in. And so that’s what ended up happening is I realized that my piece didn’t lie. Somewhere out there in men, in relationships, in other people that I had to go in and do the work. And, um, and, you know, and we all look, the course is just like, it’s like having it in the beginning and difficult to understand best friend, but a really good, best friend that just takes your hand

Maria Felipe:                26:44                and walks with you and says, let me, like, as Rom Dass says, you know, we’re all just walking each other home. And I felt like, I feel it. That’s what this does is it just takes your hand so compassionately and mercifully. And also Jesus is wicked funny by the way. Uh, but you know, walks you home. Um, if you’re willing, if you’re willing to do what’s necessary to get there and uh, not everybody is. Yeah, it’s true. And that’s why I always say, you know, it takes something cause like you’ve just said, willingness. You know, my book, I say big willingness and the reason I speak willingness is because I just felt like the word was just for me. I needed, I need a big willingness, that little willingness. I know that. I think that Jesus is saying little willingness just to like, you know, not to scare us but listen me, I big humongous dot Gore miss willingness because, because life sucked.

Maria Felipe:                27:39                So I, I was just going to go to what you were saying is that’s what the course, it talks about placing our values so we place value outside of ourselves. So you are placing value on the situation with this person giving you this answer. You were placing your value, your pieces outside of you and that’s what we do, you know, and it just want our, our listeners, you know our viewers too, when they see this video to see like where are you placing your value outside of yourself because that’s what we do. We value how much money we have in the bank. We value that person that were more with like can they complete us or, or we’re valuing, you know, Christians are going through a situation right now with his website. He’s valuing his website being launched soon and, and it’s like all this stuff, it just takes away our piece.

Maria Felipe:                28:23                So what the course is telling us is to bring us back to bringing, going within like you’re talking about and, and, and, and not valuing stuff a form any longer with uh, with process. It’s a process and starting to focus your attention on God and recognizing that you’ve never left the mind of God. Exactly. You know, so yeah. This, this summer, right. It has never occurred. Tiny, tiny Maya. The idea that you forgot to laugh at, you know what I mean? And what’s so fascinating about what you were just saying about value is where so knots that it’s like we don’t just place value on positive. Is he right there? Is that what you’re looking at? Is he right there? You’re handsome friend. Oh no he’s not. That was looking at the time we got to the clock as well. Yeah, I got you. Okay. Cause I was going to say, oh say hi to me. Oh we place value not only on good stuff. We placed value on bad stuff and it’s like we place more value, meaning more power on cancer to kill us or on this relationship to break us or whatever that is. Then we do. Then we believe in the power of God or Holy Spirit to heal us. And so we, our value is misplaced all the time. And I see

Karen Kenney:              29:42                it too with people who like, they on plenty of time to suffer, but they don’t make time to meditate or pray. They don’t make time for the daily lesson, but they have, they put enough value on their misery so they can go drink wine or she gets you a face or numb themselves, whatever their favorite form of numbing is, food sack, shopping, porn, facebook doesn’t matter, right? But we’ve got plenty of value in those things rather than just getting to the cause of the problem, which is we believe that we are separate from God. And it’s like there’s, so like what you said, it’s like if we could just place as much value on removing the barriers that we’ve created to love’s presence and we put enough energy on that, our lives would all be so much different. And I can just speak for myself.

Karen Kenney:              30:29                Is that my joy? Like I’m an annoyingly happy person and it’s not big. Like I really wake up because I, my first priority in the morning is alignment with the divine. It’s like I get online with God, I get online conscious connection to my spiritual team. I call on Jesus and Holy Spirit and I say, you guys are driving, take the wheel because, and I’m driving the bus, we’re in trouble. Hey, willing to ask like a hundred times a day. How about this? What do you think about this? Like always checking the quality of my thoughts, the quality of my words, the quality of my actions and I are they in alignment because if they’re not, I’m just going to suffer. And you know, the miracle workers pray. Like I’m here only to be truly helpful and, and that’s what I want to do. Like you, like that’s my desire. Like I’m almost 50 the time I have left. Like I just want to be helpful as a mom. I just want to be so helpful while I’m here.

Maria Felipe:                31:25                Oh yeah. Definitely be very, very helpful in this interview. So we thank you for that. And um, just to wrap it up here is one of the things that I’m hearing while you’re speaking is, um, your, um, uncompromising practice. So you’re practicing. And I think that if any, if, if, if anybody gets anything out of this is, is to really practice and that’s why we’re talking about, you know, live your happy live. Yes. It’s really practicing constantly, you know, what thoughts are you choosing, you know, are you calling Holy Spirit in our, what are you valuing? Are you valuing something outside of your, your value in God’s? So it’s constantly, you know, are you forgiving? You know, cause you want to forgive even if you don’t want to forgive. So constantly in practice. So I feel that the reason that you’re so happy, which is which I feel that I am as well my life and it’s not cheerleader happiness, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s really, it’s because I feel like the happiness I feel is more consistent. Um, it’s not up and down. Like before it was based on external things. So on Monday I was happy and then Tuesday for like shit, but now I feel like happy, like all you know, pretty much every day. Of course I have my days, especially with my hormones right now with my pregnancy. But other than that, I feel that the course says this,

Karen Kenney:              32:38                happiness is our,

Maria Felipe:                32:40                and happiness is our inheritance. So that means that if it’s in our heritage, it’s like in our DNA, it’s what we are, it’s who we are regardless of what’s going on in form. And that’s why you know, a bunt true abundance is recognizing that you are, as God created you, you know, that’s what abundance is. I, if there’s anything that I want, anybody, everybody, anybody take from this is, is to a couple of things that we’ve gone over. And you can also refresh if you want, cause I like people to leave with little nuggets. One is what we’ve gone over is um, you know, what story you’re telling yourself, you know, and is it coming from Holy Spirit? Is it coming from fear? You know, and, and kind of get that in check there. Also, what are you valuing, um, you know, and how and how and how are you doing your forgiveness. Like you were able to forgive your mom but you brought Holy Spirit into help

Karen Kenney:              33:30                you with that. Um, what else did we go over today that that w that you feel could stand out to help people? Yeah, I mean I think what you were just saying, it’s so important for me really is asking that, not being afraid to question everything. And that question of in this moment, am I being with my thoughts, words and actions, right? Am I being a host to God or am I being a hostage to the ego? Like how am I showing up? Because in what are the quality of my thoughts? Because if you are choosing the ego as your teacher, then the whole experience is going to feel like a prison. And if you were choosing the Holy Spirit, then everything just gets to be a classroom. And in the classroom we’re just experimenting with each other. So it’s like cut each other. Some slack man.

Karen Kenney:              34:12                You know and Tim Story, I don’t know if you know who tim story is, he’s a, he’s a guy who teaches in la and he said something the other day that made me crack up and he said, you know, is people are on their journey, on their spiritual journey in their growing just allowed them to suck once in awhile. And I thought that was so funny. It’s like just accept where you’re at and when you’re ready to, when you’re actually ready to be happy and to let it go. Ask for help. Like for me it’s like asking for help all day long. But also at some point, and this is where the practice, the daily practice comes in that you’re talking about that is non negotiable for me. First thing in the morning. Daily practice, get my mind right. Um, but something that can walk nick said was about talking about like if we always just keep asking Jesus for help, if we keep looking up to him as this unattainable thing, like help me, help me, help me.

Karen Kenney:              35:02                We actually don’t ever grow up and step into our power. We actually, our job is to become like him and that’s the work is to actually become like that and so that you can then help and heal other people yourself, which is really powerful. So, I mean, I think we hit on a lot of great stuff here and I think, you know, information lands in different people in different ways, so they’ll extract what’s, I guess they get with the Holy Spirit’s help, what’s necessary for them. But thank you so much for having me and getting to talk with you. It’s been such a pleasure and I really, I, you know, you’ve been on my radar for a while, so it’s beautiful to finally be able to connect face to face, you know? Yeah. It’s beautiful to collaborate. And I feel that, you know, there’s, there’s a lot of very popping or teachers that everybody know about and then there’s, you know, there’s us that are just getting out there and we’re, you know, we’re growing and learning and it’s just, it’s nice to hear other, other teachers, other perspectives.

Karen Kenney:              35:57                And I feel that, you know, you, you have so much knowledge about the course of miracles, you, you, you know, you, you hit forgiveness right on and you understand, you know, it’s, it’s themes. So I feel that it’s just beautiful to have you because now people get to hear you and where you’re coming from. And I feel that especially with how you were able to get over your mom’s death, I feel it’s just very helpful for people because death is such a, um, you know, a big topic in this, in this cluster fuck of a world. Um, I can’t believe I have been. I have been, I am such a potty mouth of the Boston out. I had been refraining, so hadn’t tried to say throw me, try it underground, but I just want to finish on this. I thought it was so fascinating. A lot US morissette who she is, she has a, she has a song called thank you.

Karen Kenney:              36:46                And in there there’s a line that landed and we so strongly, the first time I heard it and it said, how about not equating death with stopping? And I realize like, oh yeah, like my relationship with my mother goes on and it, and before the course I never would have been able to understand because time and space dictates that when the body falls away, that’s it. And so, um, it’s just been a beautiful opportunity to say like, like I joke, like some people will say, oh, my relationship got better, you know, after they passed away. But my mind has just continued and I’ve been very blessed and, and I just want to also acknowledge what you were just saying. That yeah, like in this day and age, especially with marketing and websites and instagram followers and how many likes it can be really easy to miss some gems and to not know that there are other representatives, um, you know, other teachers of God, other miracle workers who have a voice.

Karen Kenney:              37:40                And have something to say and they’re valuable and they’re delivering it on an a way that’s very, like for me, it’s very down to earth blue collar approach because I want everybody to be invited to the party and not feel like, oh, I’m not smart enough to get this shit. Like this is too much. And it’s like, no, no, no. Spend some time with it. Fine Teachers Read Maria’s book, you know, and just know that there’s ways to access this material that can land in you. Um, that it just a little more, uh, easy to digest and stuff, you know? Yeah. Thank you so much. You’re caring. You’re like a Boston Spitfire. I can’t wait to share this with everyone. You’ve, you’ve been just such a joy to join with. And again, I’m so happy that Christian opened me up to, you know, speaking to other teachers and collaborating more because this is such a real treat for me. Like finding long lost friends or siblings and you’re like, oh,

Maria Felipe:                38:36                we speak the same language. This is like so cool. You know? And so I can’t wait to share it with my people too. And so once that link is ready, we’ll, uh, we’ll, we’ll spread level, get it out there, we’ll spread the love. And there you go. People in and I, Karen has, is onto something that when she says there’s a lot of gyms out there, so, um, you know, it’s true. Well, there’s, there’s a lot of people teaching that are very good and they’re, you know, they don’t have a million followers, but they’re, they’re very good. So, um, that’s what we’re also trying to do here is just get the word out of like, you know, everybody, let’s all join the party. Ultimately, teachers of God. So, yes. All right, Karen, thank you. And, and, um, both of us, it’s exciting because we’re both on the happy train, so.

[INTERVIEW] How to Let Go of Fear & Find Lasting Peace – Corinne Zupko

by Maria Felipe

In this video I interview my dear friend Corinne Zupko about her NEW book “From Anxiety to Love”

Themes Covered:

How to tap into your “inner therapist” to heal anxiety
How Mediation helps with anxiety
How to come back to peace
How to create balance in life by less work in form and more play!
How to create a spiritual practice that will help in preventing panic attacks

and more amazing insights!

HER WEBSITE:
https://fromanxietytolove.com/
 

Transcript

Maria Felipe:                00:03                Hi everyone and welcome to live. You’re happy TV. I am so psyched and grateful for the guests that we have today. Um, she is not only a colleague, uh, um, she’s, she’s also an author but she’s also a very dear friend and I hold her close to my heart and it’s really nice always to interview your friends because then there’s like a whole added element of energy there of background stories that we’re going to be able to share with you today. Um, she is an amazing spirit. Um, she has a tremendous drive and she is a speaker as well as the author of the book from anxiety to love the bestselling book and from anxiety to love. And she’s also a professional meditator. And the reason I say that is because she’s really, really, really good at meditating. It’s one of her specialties. So we’re definitely gonna talk about that and how that’s helpful to bring out the happiness that you’re still worthy of. Um, so I would introduce to you, um, current Soko. She’s in the house. Woo.

Corinne Zupko:             01:07                Yeah. Happy to, to train has taken off.

Maria Felipe:                01:11                Yes. And talking about that. Um, just so everybody knows, Corinne and I were both in the same publishing house, which is new world library. Um, she got published a year after me, literally pretty much a year after me. And, um, since we are friends I think it’s so cool to be able to share just like little intimate stories of what happened behind the scenes. Um, and one of those things was, I remember you asking me at the course of miracles conference in Vegas, have of how I had met Patrick, which is also our book agent. We have the same book agent, he Patrick Miller from fearless books. And I remember you asking me about publishing a book and um, and that you were talking to Patrick and I want you to just share a little bit about your experience and what finally you decided to go with him and do the book through him. Cause I know you were a little bit hesitant, you know, and I think a lot of people go through those challenges as well to make that decision. You know,

Corinne Zupko:             02:10                cause it’s a big decision. I mean my hesitant is really came in because I thought I was going to go the direction of becoming my own publisher and publishing the book myself. And so there’s a lot of benefits to doing it that way. And obviously there’s a lot of benefits of having a traditional publishing deal. So wanting to know your experience was just so helpful in figuring out which direction to go. And when I decided to reach out to Patrick, it was like boom, boom, boom, everything happens so fast. I had the book deal within I think six weeks. I had three offers from three different publishing houses and it just showed me that this was opening up before me. It was the way to go and that the message that I have to share in the book, particularly for anxiety suffers because anxiety is such a common experience for so many of us. It can be a really great motivator for change. It can be a really great motivator for us to really get to work and start to dig down and find true healing. And so it just sort of spiraled and unfolded really, really easily. And here we are. I can’t believe it now about a little over a month post book launch posts, you know, my book coming out and I just had my book launch party and it’s just been, the whole process is an absolutely amazing. So it’s been a lot of fun.

Maria Felipe:                03:25                Yeah, I think Patrick has been helpful to both of us. He’s been an instrumental key on I’m getting published or not, not that’s not everybody’s path, you know, it’s been our path. I know that everybody has their own individualized curriculum of healing and um, this was just our path and it’s a very similar path. Um, you know, it’s a funny little story that I know what, I haven’t told you this, but Patrick and I talked a little bit after you guys signed and he said, you know, Karen asked me a very interesting question and I was thinking this, I know she would ask something like this for sure. You asked something about if he would die.

Speaker 3:                    04:00                Well, what happened?

Corinne Zupko:             04:03                Okay, let me, let me preface this because my contracts involved or like you know the money, he gets this money and that money goes there and he does this backend stuff and I was like, well if he’s handling all this,

Speaker 3:                    04:18                what happens if he just disappears? It’s a great question. I mean it’s true. I think it’s a great question but it was funny because he was

Maria Felipe:                04:30                person that makes sure you have all everything covered. You know?

Corinne Zupko:             04:34                That’s the thing with you know, people who have at least I would say, you know, an anxiety history if not already an anxious present mind is that you think of all the different outcomes and used by the ego that is, you know, in the past it used to be like, well, preparing for the worst. Like if that, if that happens, what am I going to do? Am I going to handle it now, you know, that is another that can be repurposed given to holy spirit to be used as a strength in that. For instance, I tend to be very detail oriented and can the book launch party that I just had, there were lots of little details that all came into place because of the way my mind works is just like that way so it can be used for good as well. So that’s so funny. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, it was just such a detailed contract. I was like, well what if you’re doing all of this and you’re a one man show? Just what happens if you just sit here.

Maria Felipe:                05:25                It’s true. It’s something I thought about. I didn’t ask. I wasn’t as ballsy. So I think that that is a way to me totally evolving. I just put it out there so I know it was, I wanted to bring that up because I always say authenticity is sexy of that is, that was very sexy. Um, so what a smile for it. What inspired you to write the book in this particular subject?

Corinne Zupko:             05:48                Well, many folks have heard my story already and for those of you who are new to it, I, as I sort of referenced already, I’ve had a lot of, lot, lot of, lot of lifelong issues with anxiety and I’m talking about if we think about a continuum of anxiety from the low end of the continuum, which is just our everyday worries and fears all the way up to the high end of the continuum, which is the debilitating anxiety and panic attacks, you know, all the diagnosable stuff that you would see, psychiatrist and psychologist diagnosed. I spent a lot of my time at the high end of that spectrum and it was through being introduced to a course in miracles by my mom that I started finding that as I dove into the course more and more deeply that the anxiety issues just started to fall away.

Corinne Zupko:             06:35                And I really, really started applying. I’ve been studying the course since 1997 definitely diligently and and in a very dedicated way. But I realized that there was so much that I could do to go deeper with it, but the only thing that propelled me to go deeper with it was another round of really intense anxiety and about 2009 and it was at that point I really realized the difference between a bandaid approach to working in the course and really getting down deep and dirty and to really applying the principles and so at that time in 2009 when I started really, really work in it, the anxiety issues that I had had that had been springing leaks like a leaky pipe. If you think of like a rusty old pipe, you plug one hole, the leak just springs out elsewhere. That had kind of been what my experience was with anxiety.

Corinne Zupko:             07:28                One part would get better and then a leak with spring elsewhere. As I started diving really deep, I started finding that the leaks weren’t changing. Fear was no longer shape shifting. It was starting to unravel at its source and at that point I started writing and the results comprise the pages of from anxiety to love. It’s all the steps. All the shifts, everything that I had to do to work with my own, I call it your inner therapist. Of course, students know that as Holy Spirit or your inner teacher. It’s everything that I started working with my inner therapist on to get to the point where I am now. So that’s the motivation behind it. Honestly, if I could, if I could say the one motivation behind the entire book to write, it was, um, pain. You know, pain can be a really, really wonderful motivator to do big things.

Corinne Zupko:             08:19                If we let it serve us to help us grow instead of, you know, staying bogged down in fear. And I feel a lot of people couldn’t relate to that pain. Um, I, uh, many people suffer from anxiety and I have actually a really close friend of mine that thus suffers from anxiety. And every once in a while we’ll have conversations and she’ll have panic attacks and we’ll, we’ll work on that together. Um, so I know how debilitating it can be and how hard it could be, um, for, for people to suffer from anxiety. And, um, I think that this, this book is,

Maria Felipe:                08:56                is very helpful because of course, since I’m such a lover of a course of miracles, to be able to use the Holy Spirit, which you call ’em the inner therapist is, is so helpful. Um, just because you know, we all have the answer within and we have this amazing tool, which is our inner wisdom that can basically heal us. So what was your, you feel you’re number one or your w w what would you do with your inner therapists that was helping you to heal your mind and to lessen the severity of anxiety?

Corinne Zupko:             09:36                You know, there are a lot of different things and in a way I can say the same thing in many, many different ways. But the core thing was that I stopped running from my fear. I stopped running from the anxiety. I stopped looking at it as this like horrible thing that I had avoided that I had to do everything to tamp down, you know, and keep away as much as possible. What I started doing instead was

Corinne Zupko:             10:01                looking at it, feeling it with the awareness of my inner therapist. With my awareness of the light of love, you know, of my inner guide with that awareness that, that, that part of my mind was looking at this crap, this muck, these clock off a lot with me looking at it together. And so as I started doing that and not hiding anything anymore, not trying to self correct, not trying to say, oh, I just had this really yucky judgmental thought. Let me just change that into a positive thought, or let me just deny that. I just even had that thought. Rather than do that, I started getting really honest and saying, oh, I just had this a Yucky thought come through my mind. Holy Spirit, I’m willing to look at it with you. I’m willing to look at this with you. I don’t want to hide it. And so that’s the beautiful thing about this practice is that when we realize that freedom lies in our complete honesty and all the crazy thoughts that go through our mind, that we can look at those with the Holy Spirit, that’s where healing really, really, really starts to take hold. So that’s kind of, I think the biggest way of saying it, um, that I can succinctly, yeah. And

Maria Felipe:                11:12                it’s, it’s, it’s a beautiful, um, practice in, I feel the insight is huge. Um, it reminds me of when my book, when I talk about feeling your feelings and um, to really be, get very real down and dirty with you know, your darkness and to not hide from it or think like, oh my God, this anxiety is bad or because I’m spiritual action and be feeling this way and let me deny this feelings or whatever. I’m going through 20, because I guess I’m right on track with giving advice about anxiety. Cause I remember telling her, my look, my friend that she just had this last episode, I was, she told me recently that what stood out the most from our conversation is me telling her that it’s not bad, but there’s nothing wrong with it. You know, I felt that she was making herself wrong, that she was having all these things I eat and making it like, well the spad you know, this not supposed to be happening.

Maria Felipe:                12:03                So I love what you just said because it’s, um, it’s an embrace. It’s an acceptance. Acceptance brings you into the present moment. Always. It doesn’t continue to, you know, feel anxious of what’s going to happen or it’s usually the anxiety comes from, she was getting nervous about his speech speech she had to do. So it was like very future based. So I feel that when you’re accepting and you start to feel your feelings of ring grounds you to the present moment and then, um, I love what you said because, um, to feel the feelings with Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit’s gonna feel, you know, you’re gonna he’s gonna meet you where you’re at. You’re in her therapist as you’d like to say. And um, you go through the stance and you heal together cause the power to heal is within you and your mind. Um, and then that’s how I, I start to get my healing on is giving it over and having insights from spirit and, and, and journaling and, and continuing to do that. Even though maybe sometimes we might not get an answer, right. Curren or you know, maybe at that moment we might not feel the best. But with practice I feel that we see change. So, um, did you notice that when you started to practice having an amazing relationship with your inner therapist, how things started to shift for you with the practice?

Corinne Zupko:             13:20                Definitely. You know, this is partly to where you mentioned meditation before and this comes in, if we are constantly saying, Holy Spirit, help, help, help, help, help, give me a shift. I want a miracle, I want a miracle. Help, help, help, help, help. If we don’t shut up and get quiet and start to listen, we’re not going to receive the answer that’s given the moment we ask for it. So the moment we ask for that miracle, the moment we ask for the shift, it’s already there. It’s just like we might be too blocked with our own fear though to receive it. So this is where the practice of trusting and trusting that we’ll receive it when we’re ready and you know what? I need to go get quiet. I need to just go sit. I need to let go of all the expectation and all the thoughts and all the desires that I want to have right now. You know, for the shift to come through if I can just sit and even if it’s for 30 seconds, it doesn’t have to be that long. It just starts to create an open space in our minds so we can hear so we can receive or sense or feel that guidance, that shift come in. So the practice of getting quiet and not just incessantly asking is really, really important. So I really resonate with that.

Maria Felipe:                14:29                And

Corinne Zupko:             14:30                I also wanted to just address what you said about your friend and her feeling about anxiety being wrong because I so identify with that it’s next to impossible to describe to somebody what a panic attack is like if they’ve never had one. It’s like the most overwhelming, most awful, horrible feeling in the world and it you don’t want it you, let’s be honest, like you’d rather feel anything else than what you’re feeling right now. But instead, if we can look at that as being a great motivator for change, if we can look at that as our teacher instead of our greatest adversary, we’re shifting our relationship to it. When we meet anxiety with that energy of, Yuck, I hate this, I want it to go away. All we’re doing is literally like pouring gasoline on a fire. We’re just fueling the ego’s flame by that resistance, by that Yuck, you know, go away. Instead, that acceptance that you talked about, that openness, that acknowledgement as like, okay, I’m feeling like crap. I don’t like it, but this is how I’m feeling right now. That acceptance has a much, much different energy to it. We’re not feeding, we’re not fueling the ego anymore, but were instead taking away its energy by accepting, by acknowledging, by allowing. And so again, that creates a more movements, some more space or a big chef to come in.

Maria Felipe:                15:53                Yeah. Beautifully said. And it’s beautiful because she did mention that again. She said one of the most helpful things was that you told me that there’s, it’s not lovings wrong. And also she had shared, um, that it helped her to, um, you know, realize that it’s, it’s not bad. And, and she really, I know what, I don’t know what a panic attack is cause I’ve never personally had one, but I know that it’s awful because I can sense it in her voice of exasperations and her crying. And it’s like, it’s, it’s, it’s like I think that the, the fear just completely like, just to take over ego makes, it’s like literally you go to Cuckoo land and you’re stuck there and you don’t know and then you, all your emotions are, you know, also not helping. And so, so I love what you said and I, and I, and I’m going to definitely now when you were talking about this, I’m going to give gift this book to her.

Maria Felipe:                16:47                I’m the one that I have here cause it’s like I want to be able to be truly helpful. I think that this would so help her help her when she sees from anxiety. Love. She’s going to be like, oh my God, Yes I want, I want some of that. You know, I’m definitely going to gift it to her. And there was something else I kind of forgot, but I hopefully it’s just my pregnancy brain that you mentioned that was so good and um, which, which actually caused the shift in her, oh, the part of, of of the meditation. That’s the part I want it to get into is the part of sitting and listening. And, um, I feel that we’re, we don’t do that. You know, we’re, we’re, we are, of course a miracle says we have a, our mind is on discipline. We have no constancy and consistency.

Maria Felipe:                17:32                So I feel that it’s very important, the element that you said of the practice of, yeah, you could ask all day long, but really sit and receive the answer and journal it and, and have holy spirit help you. Um, you know, I sit with spirit all the time and I feel always his warm embrace and, and the hug and, and we kind of worked through it together and people will be like, well, what does that look like? Well, I mean, what it looks like is just with practice, you know, just sit down and, and try it. You know, that’s the first thing I feel that people are like, oh no, that’s too out there, you know, to listen to that voice, don’t you think? But, um, I feel that the course is teaching us to, to go within and to, and to listen, and then we’re able to pump up the volume as I like to say. You know, that song pump up, the Malian pump up, blah. You start to hire the voice on unholy elise on Holy Spirit and it helps. But I just love this. What you’re doing with this book and your message is beautiful because it is, is so vital. Um, it’s so empowering to let the other know that they have the answer within them and that they can hear heels, something so big as anxiety, panic attacks, depression, all these things through your inner wisdom, your inner therapist. It’s huge and it’s very empowering. So, so job well done.

Corinne Zupko:             18:57                Thank you. Thank you. And you know, there’s nothing special about me. I’m not the only one to have healed anxiety and issues like that. Depression. There’s lots of people out there. It just so happens that I, I had to write a book about it. I had no choice. Many other people who I’ve come into contact with who have had such help from a course of miracles for their mental health issues. It’s really, you know, a course in um, there’s a quote in the course that says health is inner peace in the earlier less edited additions. The quote is mental health is inner peace. So as the course is leading us to this true experience of inner peace, we can’t help but have those issues fall away. And that’s one of the quotes from my book is that anxiety falls away when you begin to remember your true self. As we shift our identity from this small self into a capital s self, as we embrace our connectedness and all that we are, those issues have to fall away. There is no fear in perfect love. There is no anxiety and perfect love. It cannot exist in that awareness. And so that’s why our absolute success is totally guaranteed. And what joy is news is that,

Maria Felipe:                20:11                yeah, I love that you said, and your true self, you know, are with a capital s, you know, it’s that, that, that, that true self that’s connected to our higher source to God. And it’s, it’s beautiful because I usually say that the way that you can experience true happiness is by letting go of your search for it. And, um, true happiness. You know, I don’t talk about it in the sort of conventional way of the world. It’s more of a happiness that when you really start to become aware of your true self and start to bask more and that awareness of your true self, which is where you also hear your anxiety, where everything’s healed because your true self is your happiness. You know, all of my automatically everything just falls away. So you can’t be anxious and happy at the same time. So when you start to really live in your true self self with a capital s, um, life starts to get, life starts to get really fun. And, um, it’s like if we’re going to be here, stuck in this

Maria Felipe:                21:19                piece of shit world, I, it’s good, at least be in it. I’d be happy. Right? Ah, that’s joyless place. So let’s embrace our happiness. Yeah. We’re going to be in the circus. We minus, we’ll, we’ll have fun, you know, um, then the circus and juggle and juggle some love, you know, and, and juggle some peace and harmony. Um, because I feel ultimately our inheritance is, is what you’re feeling now and the healing that you’ve taken and that has been given to you is your inheritance. It’s God’s will for you, for you to be free of the anxiety and that only yourself, but everyone. Um, that is our natural inheritance. You know, anxiety comes from the separation from God. It comes from the fear. It comes from the EGOIC mind. And I feel that what you’re saying is so key, which is

Maria Felipe:                22:17                listen, everything is healed through, through, through your inner therapist. You know, I mean, I’ve come to realize that and it takes practice. And how have you been able to, especially with the being debilitated, I know you have panic, panic attacks, you went through some beer anxiety. How were you able to, to practice? Um, I feel that that’s something that’s so important. I feel that people, sometimes they get into it, they read a book and then they put it down and then they forget. You know, and that was my journey with the course for 10 11 years. I was doing it fairly consistently, but doing it, even running to it when I wasn’t feeling well, reading something that made me feel better, putting it down and then going about my day, not truly, truly, you know, integrating this and starting to open to healing, unconscious sphere, unconscious guilt, these things that I, I came to sense. We’re in a much deeper place in my mind, but needed to come out to the light. The Times when I was most debilitated with this like, and I’m talking could not get off the couch, could not eat, could not function.

Maria Felipe:                23:29                There seemed to be little to help pull me out of that state. What helped the most was that I had a very loving family who are also students in the course in miracles who saw me with charity. They saw me further along in the path than I was, and

Corinne Zupko:             23:46                we don’t have to have family members who are coursing medical students to do this. This is actually one of the meditations that I write about in the book, and I have a corresponding meditation cd that is, is just, it’s hot off the presses, it’s just come out. It’s all the meditations in the book set to beautiful music and there’s a meditation where I guide the listener or guide the reader through getting a photo of, it can be a spiritual figure. It can be your dog, it can be anybody who you know, we’ll see you with unconditional love and imagine if you have their photo and it should be a photo where they’re, you know, where you can look at their eyes. Just imagine that they’re looking at you with perfect love, that they are joining with with the truth in you and not upholding all the Kaka thoughts.

Corinne Zupko:             24:32                They’re not joining with that part at all. They’re just joining with the truth. And that was what my family did for me, was to be able to see me with that charity. And so when we can do things like that and have those moments of even a little moments of like respite, what we’re stepping into is the fact, and you, you referenced this already, that we are already healed. We are already home. We are wholly innocent. Holy, safe. That’s the truth. We’ve chosen to forget that. So the process becomes allowing ourselves to remember that, to be open to remembering the fact that we are already healed. And as we embody that, even if it’s just for a split second, that’s where big healing happens. That’s again where a lot of the anxiety can fall away. So in the midst of like really, really debilitating offline anxiety, be kind to yourself, do what you need to do.

Corinne Zupko:             25:23                It might mean doing something physical, like you physically want to change your environment, go for a walk, get out, go to the beach, you know, go in the woods, do something to just change your environment so you’re out of the normal place where you can ruminate, you know, to do something different. I’m obviously doing any course lessons, reading anything, you know that that feels good. It can be absolutely helpful, but I really feel like sometimes the only way through it is through it. I think, was it Robert Frost that said that the only way out is through that we sometimes might just need to let ourselves be where we are and if nothing is giving us relief, the bottom line we have to remember is that panic and anxiety exists only in linear time. That means it will have an end. It might feel like it’s not going to end ever, but it’s going to because it’s in this level of form. It does not exist in the truth. So at minimum that’s something we can hang onto as well.

Maria Felipe:                26:24                Yeah, that’s very helpful and I, I love that. I feel that most of the anxiety comes, especially, it happens a lot to entrepreneurs and to people that are very involved with their businesses. For instance, the friend that we’ve been talking about, she’s, you know, she has an organizing business and, um, she has two kids and a husband and she’s constantly inform and working in form and she creates beautiful things. I mean, she really like blows my mind, but at the same time, it’s, it’s very sad and disheartening because she’s, you know, not living in peace, you know, because, and I, and I love what you said earlier, that that you can see it as a sign, like an anxiety as a sign, as a teacher. Like, Hey, slow down, or hey, you know, change your life because you’re worthy of having balance. You know, you could have an amazing career and having an amazing business and at the same time, how balanced and have peace and happiness.

Maria Felipe:                27:12                Um, and I don’t think just her, just, you know, people in general that are in this, you know, in the U s we’re taught to work hard and you make money and then you have this competition and you’re at work. And um, I I’ve heard, I’ve seen stories, even documentaries of of men having like heart attacks, you know, because they’re pushed to extremes. Um, so I think that’s something that, you know, to wrap it up here, we can kind of talk about, of, of how your book helps in, in that way, um, to be able to help to not make form. So such a priority and, and more your, your piece

Corinne Zupko:             27:52                prioritizing pieces, everything. Everything. And so again, like you teach like the course teaches happiness and peace cannot be found outside of ourselves. There is nothing in this world that is going to say to you, slow down. You are whole, you are happy, you are worthy. There’s nothing out there that’s going to do this for us. The choice has to come from within. It has to be our choice to say enough. I am prioritizing my peace. I am worth it. I am worthy of healing, I am worthy of doing the work. And that happiness and peace can only come from within. It can only the healing happens at the level of the mind and that’s where the, you know, the anxiety will fall away. So it’s always, always, always about putting ourselves first, taking mental health days if you need them from work. This is something that I see in my students because I teach graduate classes in counseling that we were just having a discussion that it seems like mental health days are becoming more acceptable to take a day off just because you need it, not because you’re sick and like totally knocked out with the flu or something like that.

Corinne Zupko:             29:04                Take mental health days, take your lunch break, do anything that you can do during the day to slow down. Because again, the pace of our culture, the pace of our society, it’s just going to keep going and we’re the ones that have to say, you know what? No, this isn’t working for me. I need to do something different.

Maria Felipe:                29:20                Yeah. I always say, you know, you have the right to say stop it world. I want to get off, you know, the right to say that into choose. Like I like to say piece first, you know, and, and peace is only found in that moment. And what a beautiful way to close to have those beautiful words that words expressed to you, which means a lot to me because it’s part of my teachings is like, there isn’t anything of yourself that is going to give you that happiness, you know, regardless of that promotion or accolade or whatever it is that you’re searching for. I’m not saying it’s bad. Of course, you know, let’s get excited and we’re grateful for certain things. Um, but at the same time, what are we doing here? You know, what are we doing here? And it’s so beautiful to be able to bask and be in this world knowing that, you know, yeah, you live in it, but you’re not of it.

Maria Felipe:                30:04                And, um, you get to experience an intense such happiness within that. Um, so this is currents book my friends. It’s a beautiful kind of reminds me of my favorite cover. I told you the power of now, cause you know I love Edgar Tulsa much. So it kind of reminds me of that. So that’s a good thing. Um, and you can get it on Amazon. You can also get at any bookstore just by ordering it. And also this thing about the meditation sounds really neat and I didn’t know that you did that. So where can people get that meditation, the meditations that go along with the book? The meditations are on Amazon,

Corinne Zupko:             30:41                Sun and Itunes, and I’ll have a link up on my website very, very shortly. So that’s super exciting. And I just want to add one more thing about, you mentioned the beginning that I’m a really good meditator and I would say that there are some meditations where I’m just, I have that monkey mind. I’m in a thousand different places. So it’s not like this is a process that we perfected and always have this wonderful meditation. It’s about showing up every moment, even if our minds are totally running a mock and going in a thousand different directions. Having that willingness to bring that wandering attention back to our awareness of love, to our willingness, even just to our breath. So that’s meaning that we’re good at meditation just means that we’re willing to show up and to get quiet and least for 30 seconds or a minute and minimum.

Maria Felipe:                31:27                Yes. And I love that you have um, created this tool because I feel will be very helpful because some people, you know, you they want to read but they also want some sort of, you know, guidance and especially a guided meditation from you would be helpful. Um, so basically on Amazon they would put the, the name of the book and they can find it. Um, probably searching

Corinne Zupko:             31:48                for [inaudible] or from anxieties, love meditations, it’s what it’s what it’s listed as.

Maria Felipe:                31:54                Perfect. And then also I’ll put the link on the comments below as well. And I’m, I’m excited to, to hear those. I had no idea. So surprise. I had no idea. All right, so the last question to wrap it up, which I ask all my guests is how does Curran live her happy? Corrine?

Corinne Zupko:             32:15                Her happy by being willing to be in the present moment. It doesn’t mean that I always am. It doesn’t mean that it’s always perfect, but that I have that willingness to get into the present because that’s where the Holy Spirit is. That’s where pieces, that’s where happy happiness is. And that’s how I lived. My happy is being in the now.

Maria Felipe:                32:33                That’s wonderful. All right. Every one. So I invite you to get these two books right. Happy train to, to very, very helpful Combo there. Um, and I love collaborating with other teachers such as yourself because I feel that this is what truly matters is joining to be able to, um, create the good, the holy and the beautiful and help and help people any way we can with just some, some chat. Just a little cat for sure. All right, everyone. Thank you Corinne. And as usual, we are on the happy train together.

[INTERVIEW] How to End Pain & Suffering by Going Within – Bruce Rawles – ACIM – A Course in Miracles

by Maria Felipe

Transcript

Maria Felipe:                        00:02                       Hi everyone and welcome to Live Your Happy TV. I am really excited about our guest this week. Um, and I’m, I’m just thrilled and I’ll get you to be able to interview him. He’s somebody that I met when I was a speaker at different retreats, called weekend of freedom retreat. Um, that was done by my dear friend Shiryl and we just became good friends and one thing I remember about, about my next guest is, we got lost on a hike together. We got lost on a hike together and he kind of was acting like he, he could get. He knew about this hike and he could get this done and we got lost. So I thought it was so cool. And we got lost like for an hour just so everybody knows, like a hike that takes, like, I don’t know if we were already gone forever, but we’re alive, which is really important. And we’re alive and we’re here to teach about love, happiness, of course, miracles. I’m bruce is a student of a course in miracles. He also teaches it as well, and I love his approach because he comes from more intellectual scientific approach, which is really great because I’m more about like joy and I come more from the heart as of where bruce comes from, Lauren intellectual standpoint, which kind of Ken Wop Wop, Nick did as well, I feel. And, um, I just, I love the, the way that your approach is because I feel that everybody has their gift and everybody identifies with different types of teachers and students and that’s what we’re here to do. We’re all here to be versatile and see who brings out the best in us. Um, and who, who really inspires us and this truly helpful. So Bruce, Ross, thank you for being here today on live. You’re happy.

Bruce Rawles:                      01:48                       Thank you for inviting me, Maria. I really appreciate it.

Maria Felipe:                        01:52                       I know me too. We’re going to go ahead and we’re going to talk about, um, our, our center kindness teacher, our inner kindness teacher. Now, for those that don’t know, I’m the course of miracles, talks about our inner teacher. Um, you can call it inner wisdom. Um, you can call it a holy spirit love, it’s the opposite of the voice of fear, which is the voice of the ego that the course talks about. So this is going to be a beautiful subject. I feel that bruce is going to really inspire us and give us golden nuggets on how to be able to listen to this voice. Now, what I love about, um, what I love about Bruce is how he shares about the course in a more scientific point of view. And I want you to first tell us a little bit about that and how the course plays into this type of approach.

Bruce Rawles:                      02:41                       Sure, sure. Yeah. I kind of like, as I’m sharing, before we started the recording, I kind of grew up and I sometimes joke. In fact, even in my second book, I wrote a little intro saying that I grew up in a nuclear family literally and figuratively because my dad was a supervisor on a cyclotron in livermore, California where my mom still lives. And um, so I kinda got through Osmosis a thorough indoctrination in, in the physics, modern physics and particularly [inaudible] and Adam smashers cyclotrons and that kind of thing. Basically, you know, that’s all they’re about is, is pushing forward the frontiers of physics. So I kinda heard terms around the dinner table as a kid, like isotope deuterium and, and, uh, all those kinds of terms that most people. I figured everyone knew what those men, you know, and then I learned later that not so much but, but, um, that was the, the, uh, the physics and, and also a love of nature because my dad liked to be in the outdoors.

Bruce Rawles:                      03:43                       I kind of got from my, my father, my from my mom’s side of the family, uh, was more of the intellectual curiosity. Not that my dad wasn’t intellectually curious but, but, uh, um, metaphysical in particular, she, she was kind of going through her, uh, what’s life all about, about the time I was in adolescence. And uh, so she was dragging the family around all these different churches and things. And, and, and among the many books that she gathered, uh, in the late seventies was these three blue volumes called a course in miracles and I saw them on the shelf there and everyone’s slide. We’ll flip through and say, well, yeah, maybe someday I’ll read these. And when I moved to the, uh, the foot hills of northern California in the mid eighties, I finally cracked them open. It was like, wow, this is pretty cool stuff. And I studied him for a few years, but it wasn’t till about 11 years ago, um, that I really kind of got plunged back into them headlong again when I saw Gary Renard book on the coffee table of a friend’s house. And, uh, and I picked it up, but I couldn’t put it down. And it’s like, oh my gosh, this is all in the course of miracles. I, I’ve got to check this out again. Makes I’ve been, I’ve been kind of in a back burner student for, for a couple of decades really. And, uh, so, and then that plunged me into not only Gary Renard work, but I’ll come up next brilliance as well. And that’s kind of what I’ve been doing pretty much full time for the last 11 years. So it’s, it’s a real quick, quick biography.

Maria Felipe:                        05:06                       Yeah, no, that’s wonderful. And it’s um, we get to know you better. So I really liked hearing that because I didn’t know that about you in reference to Gary. I’m book for everybody that doesn’t know Gary. He’s an amazing teacher because he has a book, the disappearance of the universe. It’s really helpful for any new student or just even somebody that’s been a student for a long time. It’s just so, so, so it’s such a helpful book. What happened with you, with Gary actually happened with me with Marianne Williamson when I first read a return to love. She’s the one that I’m back in 1995 is when I first even heard about the course and it was through that book, but I feel that they both teach it in such a practical way, um, and, and how to understand it so much better. And I think that your struggle and your wholesale was just like everybody else’s, that we kind of, we read the course and then we don’t understand it and then we kind like just leave it. And then it kind of surfaces again, like through you, through Gary and then that helps you, you know, and you’re like, you’re back.

Bruce Rawles:                      06:05                       Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, there were, there was a year when I had one of these off the chart years I go through a divorce, my father, grandfather, uncle, and Anna, I’ll fellow core student passed on and uh, and as I know a lot of soul searching and I kind of plunged back into the course and uh, realized that it was speaking to me, the, you mentioned the heart and I think the, the intellect and the heart really need to work together, uh, in order for us to really appreciate the chorus. And I think, uh, you know, can walk. Nick exemplified that in beautifully. And the fact that he, he really obviously had an impeccable mind and, and a brilliant understanding of the course, but he also shared it from the heart. And you could tell from, from all the work that he did that, that it was really a completely a genuine appreciation, not, um, not just that were similar, but the, the, the true unity.

Bruce Rawles:                      06:57                       And I think that’s one of the goals of the course is to recognize how we’re really all the same, uh, in, in, uh, not, not just a similar way, but a true, the true nondual oneness. And I, I guess that might be a good segue to some of the things in modern physics that I found fascinating that, uh, again, we kinda like we build houses, uh, on, on a foundation. We might try to make the foundation flat, although we know the earth is round, spherical or spheroid will actually. But, but the same thing is true with modern physics. We kind of know intellectually that I’m at least, if you studied modern physics at all, that a modern physics suggests that the rs basic assumptions about the reality of matter and energy. We’re totally a revolutionized. Several decades ago with quantum physics and quantum mechanics and fact, there’s a physicist named John Wheeler who said there’s no out there out there, which is basically a kind of a one way of saying that what modern physics turned upside down was the whole Newtonian model that that matter is the real deal and mind as well.

Bruce Rawles:                      08:12                       We can kind of dismiss mind because it doesn’t, it doesn’t enter, enter, enter into. I can say that in any of those Newtonian equations. Meaning that, uh, that from the, the old school point of view, yeah, the physical reality was the real deal. And what, what was going on in your mind had nothing to do with it. Well, maybe your brain, but, but, but the mind is something that was beyond space and time. That was, that was not even, that was just out there, you know, mystical stuff. And not the, not the realm of physics. Well, well, what happened in Copenhagen several decades ago, they had this thing called the Copenhagen interpretation. It was named after this event, when the likes of Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Max Planck in a Heisenberg, all these, all these luminaries, these really famous people in the realm of modern physics. Well, not at that time, but now they are, uh, came together and they kind of looked at each other like, holy, holy, whatever.

Bruce Rawles:                      09:12                       How are we going to explain to the world because no longer could you take mind as being this like thing we can kinda shove aside because mine was now primary because of this thing called the double slit experiment, which basically said that if you expected to see a particle in these experiments that were repeated hundreds and hundreds of times in different places all over the world, you are going to see a particle. But if you expected to see a wave, you’re going to see a wave. And that was called the wave particle duality, which basically says that it’s not just these, these objects acting by themselves. Duality essentially, you know, this, this, this idea of everything separate from each other. But mind is principal. Mine is primary mind is, is, is completely intertwined. Which is what the, you know, is a perfect segue to an appreciation of the metaphysics, the pure nondual metaphysics of a course in miracles, because what that suggests is that we can’t have a thought that’s apart from everything and everyone in the universe, they’re, they’re the, the, the interconnection is, is not only so complete, um, but it, it, it brings a responsibility back to us to look at the contents of our mind and choose peace or fear in any given moment.

Maria Felipe:                        10:36                       Speaking about choosing peace or fear, how does our inner teacher and her kindness seizure, which we’ll be talking about today, which is the Holy Spirit, how does that, how, how does that relate to quantum physics and science?

Bruce Rawles:                      10:51                       I think, I think, I think again, that the foundations of the modern physics suggests that, that the body and the material universe of matter and energy and space and time are just an interpretation of reality. So if that’s the case, I mean, it’s a very convincing hologram that we’re all living in, right?

Maria Felipe:                        11:11                       It appears, it appears very, very real. Well,

Bruce Rawles:                      11:15                       we, I mean, we have all the evidence in the world that says this is the real deal and yet there’s something, there’s something always missing. There’s always this awareness that something could be better, you know, and this is what Helen and bill, uh, yeah, Helen Sharman and Bill Thetford said to each other back in the mid sixties when they were at each other’s throats because I mean, on an intellectual level, I mean, and a credentialed academic, they were at the top of their game. They were, you know, career psychologist at Columbia Presbyterian University and, and, uh, you know, back east and, but they couldn’t get along with each other. And so out of that frustration was born this understanding that, that, you know, there must be a better way. And then I think we all have that calling and, and, and again, modern physics I think ties into it just as Freud and Plato and Shakespeare and, and, uh, you know, all of these things that fit into Helen Chapman’s a mine and her passions and interest fit into how the, the course came out in terms of form all of these things. Also, we’re the perfect background for a course in miracles to have the kind of message that would be receptive to a large percentage of the planet worldwide.

Maria Felipe:                        12:36                       Why I feel, I feel that, um, one thing that a lot of people could relate to is to the undoing of the ego and the mind because we all as bodies have egos. So any, any type of book or anything that has to do with undoing the ego and your mind is, is, is helpful because we all suffer from this crisis of fear based thoughts. You know. So how, how is it that you work with your thoughts of fear, which is the opposite of the inner kindness teacher, um, in your daily life. You feel like,

Bruce Rawles:                      13:11                       I think the best way is to just practice, practice, practice being mindful of the least little annoyance, irritation, victim hood, uh, any, any kind of feeling of, well, this is an intrusion or an interruption or a big, you know, we were just talking about that in a study group. I’m, I attend online, uh, you know, this morning and how, as Ken said, the, the, the interruptions aren’t diverting us from our classroom. They are the classroom because again, tying it back into the physics if, if there is no out there out there, as is physicist John Wheeler said that that’s basically just another way of saying ideas don’t leave their source. So if there’s something that is, seems to be outside of me that really becomes my forgiveness classroom when I realized that I am projecting everything that I experience, maybe not consciously, but that’s the whole beauty of how um, you know, as [inaudible] was talking about Freud and how to generalize what Freud was saying about the unconscious mind with dreams being the royal road to the unconscious.

Bruce Rawles:                      14:20                       Well, of course in miracles says all your time is spent in dreaming. Now we don’t, we don’t really like to hear that because we went, no, this is so real. But, but in a metaphoric way, if, if you know, the eastern mystics are right, and then you combine that with the western, you know, quantum mechanics. Then if, if the dream is really the dream, that separation is possible, which is the dualistic dream, uh, that, that space is real, time is real. Then we need look at everything that seems to come back to us as a feedback process. I like that rather than, rather than this is being done to me as Gary Renard work, you know, and I love how he puts it. It’s being done by me. So, but wait, we need to bring that back into our mind. We need to restore the causality back to the mine and see that there’s no separate things.

Bruce Rawles:                      15:14                       There’s just a, there’s an interpretation that is very popular. It’s outrageously popular. That suggests that there’s separate things and stuff and it would be silly of course, to, to, to work in the world as if that’s not the case, but of course in miracles is all wasn’t only about the mine and addresses a at that inner kindness teacher within us that we all have and says, hey, you, I could choose peace instead of this. And the way we do that as is moment to moment, bringing back in, reeling in the things that seem to be outside of ourselves and saying, Aha, if there’s something that I’m the least little bit out of peace with and out of harmony with, that is my clue. That’s my classroom, doesn’t have to be in my prayers. I can turn it around and make it a classroom for looking at what I need to forgive.

Bruce Rawles:                      16:04                       And, and recognizing that nothing happened to the truth of what we are in reality. That, that eternal, unshakable, unchangeable, wonderful, innocent, beautiful being that we all are. And share is really the foundation from which we can say, hey, if what I really am and what you really are, what everyone else really is, cannot be threatened. I can afford to forgive. But, but if I think I’m this little person that has this finite lifetime and, and I’m really attached to the outcome of what happens to this bruce character or this Maria character, whoever else is listening, um, mean, you know, it’s not that we don’t do those things, but if we can just kind of begin to take with a little bit less seriousness, I mean Kinda of recognize them in the cosmic scheme of things. Our real identity is so vast and so unlimited and the way we will get back to that awareness I think is just best moment to moment saying, do I want to see peace instead of this?

Maria Felipe:                        17:08                       That’s beautiful. I love everything you’re sharing because it just, you weren’t talking. And I was like, oh, that was like, not that I’m sleeping. It’s more like, it’s like I just feel peace, you know, because it’s so comforting. And I feel one of the key things that you said is talking about our inner kindness teacher. The Holy Spirit and our inner wisdom are our higher self. Our true self is, is, is the importance. What I was getting of asking for help from the Holy Spirit in as when you know how you were, how you were sharing too, to know that we’re not alone and the most important thing also is the mindfulness. I feel like how you opened. You were like to be mindful of our thoughts, to be, to be vigilant because what happens is with everything you were saying is that you cannot be a victim of the world that you see basically.

Maria Felipe:                        17:57                       And that’s the empowering part like you, you, you, when you’re mindful, you start to recognize, wow, this is just a classroom. This is just an opportunity for me to see that it’s not being done to me. It’s been done by me. And then you are like superman. You know, it’s like, you’re like, forget it. You don’t, you don’t, you don’t have anything or anyone that could take away your peace of mind. Nothing outside of you forum could take away your happiness and you know, we are so worthy. And I always say this, bruce, because as you know the course of miracles lessons, they talk about, you know, happiness is our inheritance, that happiness is our function and the only reason, the only way to tap into that is to tap into our inner kindness teacher. Now, do you have any type of practice aside from the mindfulness practice that you feel is helpful that people can do every day?

Maria Felipe:                        18:49                       That’s something, a simple practice to tune into holy spirit because I feel a lot of people don’t even know what that looks like. But real quick, I just wanted to share something that’s so funny. I, I had this situation with Christian that I just got with, with the baby coming. A lot of things started to get very heated in the household because you know, with having a baby, there’s just a lot of stuff going on and it’s very easy for the ego to be president, feel victimized and kind of manipulate and all this stuff. So I took a little break and this is exactly what you were talking about. I took a break just like you were saying, and I was mindful and I and I went within and I asked the Holy Spirit to help me and the Holy Spirit told me something and I love the inspiration I got.

Maria Felipe:                        19:30                       It wasn’t like a voice. I was like, not like that. It was more like of an inspired thought of where first of all, the Holy Spirit told me, don’t say anything. I don’t need to know what is wrong with you because I know exactly what is going on. That’s the first thing that I loved. I didn’t even have to explain. You still overly tired. Don’t even explain. I know that you need my comfort right now. And just so you know that I’m waiting on the sidelines whenever you need my help. And I was like, wow. Sidelines, like what is he talking about? I felt like maybe he’s behind a tree, you know, like what kristen and I are fighting, you know? So the whole point I’m trying to make here is that spirit spirit is so loving and it’s so gentle and it’s just a thought away, right? It’s not even if it’s closer than breath or heartbeat, yes,

Bruce Rawles:                      20:22                       it really is our true nature, but we’re not ready to accept that as our identity. So we have to kind of ease into it in baby steps. We have to kind of gradually get accustomed to the idea that our identity is all inclusive and is shared with everyone and that that’s just kind of a mind boggling thought. So, so the way we kind of get into it, I think is by instead of affirming what’s true, of course in miracles doesn’t ask us to do that. It basically says, look at, look at what your resistance is. Look at where were you, fight it tooth and nail and, and see when you put on your you’re recovering dream repair technician had as I like to think of it, it’s like, okay, I’m going to go out. I’m going to fix the dream because the dream is gonna make me happy.

Bruce Rawles:                      21:06                       And then we forget that the dream, the world that, that, uh, it gets fed back to us is really just a classroom for us to see what we’ve been thinking. And, and if we can just kind of learned to gently laugh, it’s like, oh, there I go again, trying to fix the dream. Not that we don’t do the things, you know, like take care of your health, do you know your family, your community, your planet, you know, do all the things you can, um, but just don’t take them so seriously. And again, I think that’s where, where the physics comes in. One, in addition to the, the um, the double slit experiment that, that told physics that mind is primary. Another thing that’s happened since then, that’s kind of a cool, uh, just finished another favorite science thought thing called quantum entanglement. And this is the thing that’s again been shown over and over again in the labs.

Bruce Rawles:                      21:57                       You can take two electrodes since we’re recording this, I can, you can take two electrons that are part of a pair and they have an axis of spin, right? So, so for example, if, if one electron spinning this way and it’s North Pole is pointing this way, the one in that same electron pair points the exact same way. Now what happens is turns out is that the, the access of spin will, will track, and it doesn’t, it even these electrons could be pulled apart a foot apart or a light year apart or on opposite sides of the universe. And in the lab, they’ve proven that no matter how far apart you pull two pairs of electrons, the access of the spin changes instantaneously. Now that’s, that’s faster than the speed of light. What that means is that there is a connection, or perhaps maybe as Einstein suggested, you know, it’s space time really is a concept.

Bruce Rawles:                      23:00                       It’s an interpretation and I’m extrapolating a little bit there, but I think that was the gist of what he said, is that we’re experiencing the optical delusion of consciousness. And that is a phrase that he used. Uh, so I think our science really, if we listened to what the implications are, gets us solidly, uh, from the physics into the metaphysics and puts us right in league with some of the eastern mystical traditions that talk about the Maya or illusion of, of the world of separation. And then when you add to that, of course in miracles, which, which is again, can whopping points out brilliantly adds to it, the purpose of our wanting to fight it because there’s a tremendous resistance to learning and practicing this material that’s an a course in miracles because it suggests that we have to have eventually give up all of the misery that we identify with, which, which kind of ties into, I love the title of your book, you know, live, you’re happy.

Bruce Rawles:                      24:03                       And the way we do that is to buy by looking, you know, the not no principal, uh, not. It’s not affirming the assets, the not know is saying, well, what am I doing this denying the truth? And we have to deny the denial of truth. Every time we find ourselves investing in an outcome and saying, well, if this happens or this doesn’t happen, then I’ll be happy because that is a denial of truth. That’s basically using what, of course, some wrinkles call specialists and their special oven special hate. And they’re usually, you know, opposite sides of the same coin. But beyond that as the real love. But we don’t, we don’t get to that, which is always our true nature until we, we over usually a long period of time, practice, practice, practice, keep looking at our resistance and everyday, like you said, when things come up and, and you know, whether it’s a family situation or you know, a new arrival in the family, whether it’s a tree stuck in traffic or, or maybe something, maybe a politician on TV and a or it could be any number of things, you know, whether it’s an under your own household roof or on the other side of the planet.

Bruce Rawles:                      25:11                       Anything that comes up that says, uh, as, as an interpretation, a, I’m choosing not to be peaceful. Uh, that’s usually the, the meat, meat, meat, red light time, time to remember the metaphysics of the course is like, it’s not out there, number one. And number two, uh, this experience that I’m interpreting as, as something that is a problem, has a solution and that solution is in the mind. And the solution always involves recognizing that our true identity, our true nature is not isolated and stuck in a little space time vehicle that we’d call our bodies or even our personalities. So we’re, we’re all so much bigger than what our true identity is, completely outside of spacetime and the way we get back to that is just moment to moment looking and listening to our inner kindness teacher, following the guidance of the Holy Spirit and saying how whatever label you want to throw at it.

Bruce Rawles:                      26:11                       And just, you know, whenever we feel at peace, it’s like, okay, there, that’s, that’s what I need to be listening to. And it usually doesn’t have a specific, you got to do this and this and this. It’s usually just saying, I just need to look at it and look at it without condemnation, look at it without judgment and just let everybody off the hook at the same time see that the innocence is really there behind the form, behind the behavior and, and that’s fun. And that’s where the happiness really is, isn’t it? Yeah. I always say the second way, the second, you know, it’s like, it’s

Maria Felipe:                        26:43                       like very, very in the moment, you know, you just, you ask for help. It’s just constantly. And I, and I love that you said practice, you know, because I feel that that’s what live your happies all about, really is like constant practice and that’s why it’s called living. You’re happy it’s living. You know, my book could be called living the course of miracles, but that’s played out. So I called it live. You’re happy, but it’s really live a course in miracles without compromise anymore, you know, and, and to really do it even if you don’t want to because it’s going to get to a point that, you know, when you really say, you know, I’m, I’m just done with the suffering. I’m, I’m done with the hustle. I’m done with the struggling is just, I’m done with being depressed or sad and, and, and you, when you, it’s like the whole thing.

Maria Felipe:                        27:24                       When you say there must be another way, you know, it’s just like, you’re, you’re just tired. You’re sick and tired of being sick and tired. And then comes in all these beautiful, um, let’s go. Not, no, isn’t it? That’s the not. No. Yeah. The concern of being second target is this sort of another way of saying I’m going to deny the denial of truth is the not know. Oh, that’s true. I love that. Yeah. Well thank you so much bruce. That was amazing. It’s so. It was so helpful. I love everything that you shared. I think it’s going to be very helpful to a lot of people out there. Um, and the practicality, you know, I just feel that, you know, where you said there, I’m at the last last point is a golden nugget about the course, about the holy spirit, our inner kindness teacher and how it’s, it’s our duty and our job to, to call it in and to call it in and, and that, and to work it.

Maria Felipe:                        28:14                       You gotta work it, you gotta work it, you gotta work, you gotTa work, your work, your work, and with the work it. If not, then you’re screwed. But it’s, it’s a gentle vigilance, isn’t it? It’s just saying, you know, I deserve a better, more peaceful mind. And, and I recognize that everyone does and that we’re all in it together. We can all afford to be gentle and let each other off the hook. And, and that’s. And that’s when it becomes fun, isn’t it? Yeah. I, um, I have this little paper here, actually, if I had my son, um, he gave me a download of that Christian and I are here, two are in it to win it. And I was like, what do you mean in it to win it? So I wrote it and it says, here we are in it to win it.

Maria Felipe:                        28:58                       Now I said in it to win it, and Holy Spirit said the Kingdom of Heaven. And that’s what we’re here to do. We’re all here together. And this is why I do these interviews with teachers and students like yourself, is that we’re all here. We’re all here in it to win it. And we’re all here to just remember we’d never left the mind of God. And that’s how we win. The Kingdom of God is recognized. We’ve never left the mine. Oh God. You know, there’s no battle to win. We just have to accept it, isn’t it? Yes. Yes, absolutely. And remove the barriers to the awareness of love’s presence. And that’s how we, that’s how we remember. We’ve never left the man of God, you know. Alright Bruce, thank you so much. Yeah, one by real quick, what I’ll do is, um, we’re to go ahead and share all the wonderful stuff you’re doing. That stuff is got. Got Me, and we’re going to put on the description below every one. So if you want to know any, any, anything else about Bruce, um, we’ll, we’ll definitely get that information to you. In the meantime, everyone, just remember that you’re not a victim of the world that you see and to kindly take responsibility for your perceptions. Also forgive even if you don’t want to, because you’re going to really, really live. You’re happy. Alright everyone, until next time, thanks.

[INTERVIEW] Experience the Presence of God – The Way of the Mastery with Jayem

by Maria Felipe

Transcript

Maria Felipe:                        00:04                       Hi everyone and welcome to Live Your Happy TV. Do you see the smile on my face? I am so excited about today’s interview. Um, and I’ll share with you why I’ll just get right into it because I really want to cover a lot with our guest today. His name is Jim. He wrote, channeled an amazing book called the way of mastery and I want to speak to him about that today, but real quick before I introduce him, I went to Greece in 2014. Jennifer Hadley invited me to speak along side Gary Renard and Patricia Black and one of the participants there gave me or showed me this book. And as you can see it’s, it’s, it’s pretty big book as you can see it’s a little worn out because I have, I have been using it as you can see I have proof here. And when I first saw it I got very overwhelmed because it is, it is a big book.

Maria Felipe:                        01:01                       And I thought to myself, I’m not going to read that, you know, and this participant of this retreat told me that it’s really good that it’s like the course of miracles, but it’s more practical. Um, it’s easier to understand. The forgiveness process in the book is amazing. And I kept on like, yeah, whatever. I will never read that book because as you guys all know, I’m not a big reader even though I wrote a book, I really don’t like reading much and I get sent books from students and teachers all the time. Either teachers want me to endorse the book or students want me to read the book because it’s inspired them. So to make a long story short, because I could talk about this all day of the miracle of this, um, I had this amazing student. He’s from Puerto Rico, I forget his name right now.

Maria Felipe:                        01:48                       And he, he, he mailed me this book. He emailed me this book just a week after I got back from Greece and I opened the book and I was like, Holy Shit, what is this? This is amazing. And I’ll tell you why I love practical things. I love, I love books like this because they really are kind of, you can mingle in the world at an also understanding that you’re not of it. And that’s what I love about it. Also, I have to say, and I never speak highly of anything, but this really helped me. I started to do the processes and the book which I’m going to talk to Jim about, and I started to experience changes in my experience of consciousness, like literally immediate. Um, I started to reflect, inform my mind, and I was like, wow. So it is a book that you actually see changes in form right away. And I think that it’s just such a beautiful reflection of how the mind is so powerful and I feel that we escort miracle students. We kind of don’t want to be informed and I get that. But at the same time, it’s nice to see progress and to see that our mind is so powerful. So I’m just gonna get right into it. Jim, thank you for being here. As you can see, I’m very excited.

Maria Felipe:                        03:11                       I think it’s because I had the Cuban coffee too, you know, so I’m going to settle down now. So, um, as you can see, I have a couple of questions for you, but before we begin, I wanted to see what has come up for you as I shared or what I’ve shared about the book of how it’s touched me and I’m just whatever comes up for you that you want to talk about for the next few minutes.

Jayem:                                      03:36                       Okay. Can I have some major Cuban coffee?

Maria Felipe:                        03:42                       I’ll make you. I’ll make you some when we come visit. All right, that sounds good.

Jayem:                                      03:48                       Just a few things briefly before, um, before you begin with winter, wherever you want to go, I will follow that school. One thing that’s important to know is that the way of mastery book you’re holding is actually a collection of what should have been printed as three separate books, the way of the heart way of transformation in the way of knowing and what they actually are. Our transcriptions of live, what we called channeling the Joshua did. So there’s been no editing, no rewrites, no anything. It’s just his words. And very briefly, how this took place, he came to me in 1987, I know that’s a long time ago in the last century that some of us are older. I’m on this journey, I guess, but um, he spent about seven or eight years preparing me for a time when he would then take me out of the body completely and he would enter into it and use it as a teaching vehicle and communicate using.

Jayem:                                      05:00                       And it was so surreal. I would listen to the original recorded audio and I could recognize it was my voice, but it was not how my mind thought. It was like he was operating at a very different level of consciousness yet using the body when it would be done, he would say, we’re done for now. And he would bring me back to the body and I would experience it in a highly charged date of energy that would go on for hours and hours. I would go outside and take walks and I could literally see through trees, garages, everything was like luminescent and shimmering and light. And then gradually the frequency would drop. And I’d say, Jeshua, what? How come I can’t stay in that frequency? And being the wise teacher is he said, well, my brother, that would be a very good for you to live in.

Jayem:                                      05:59                       What is it that’s dropping your frequency or your capacity to be in form operating through the body, yet completely operating in the realms of light like he does so well. One night he had strep throat and was going to cancel the group that would come to our house because I’m sick. So my mind is saying, since I’m sick, this can’t happen. And he said, my brother, you are the one creating the experience of sickness. I don’t accept it, therefore there will be no problem. And sure enough when he came through into the body to teach every trace of the sickness vanished. And he went on for four or five hours. When he left, it came back. So it’s been quite an experience. So the whole point is that the first three books or what we’re calling the way of mastery, the way of master is actually a much broader, deeper pathway that he’s been unfolding for some time now. And those three books or transcriptions of the original audio recordings of impeaching live.

Maria Felipe:                        07:11                       Gotcha. So there were recorded when you were teaching, when he was channeling through you in your groups?

Jayem:                                      07:17                       Yes. Correct. Okay. And I was gone. I was completely oblivious to whatever he was doing.

Maria Felipe:                        07:24                       Wow. I noticed that because I see that the three books are in one, which I think what’s, what makes the book so thick and overwhelming for me because I don’t like to read. So I feel that it’s nice that they’re in three books. I’m sure they’re thinner, correct? Yes. Yes. So I think those are the ones that my manager Stephanie was talking about that they sell them individually. Um, so that’s good to know. I like it like this because you have all of it in one, but yeah. But I’m like, wow. It’s just, it’s a lot. And it just says a lot that I’ve been reading it and it’s because every time I read it I feel like how you said, I feel like an elevated in a way. When I finished reading it, which is kind of how I felt when I read the disappearance of the universe, I felt after I read that book, I was very in a whole nother, um, space energetically. And that’s what this, this, this, this, that over here. I want to call it the study here. We have the stud here. Um, it’s just so it’s the first book that I read,

Maria Felipe:                        08:25                       well, that I read in a long time that, um, that kinda calls me into this whole experience of how you were saying when you went outside and that you started to automatically experienced the world differently and it’s like you can feel bad or you can, you can have like a bad day or something could be off and I could sit with a book and all of a sudden my whole energy vibration changes. Even after I do like the five minute meditation have to tell you about the five minute meditation. I actually haven’t experienced it of where I did it for a whole year. Every single morning. It gives me goosebumps because I can’t believe I even did that because the course of miracles says that the mind is okay with mind wandering and then we have no constancy and no consistency. So was so interesting how I would get so much beautiful results that I would do it, but I did it every single day and automatically all these things started coming my way and I didn’t do it because I wanted things in form, but it was so beautiful to see it reflected.

Maria Felipe:                        09:26                       Like I think in one week I had like three, not even wanting it. Just three healing inner child participants, you know, that wanted to have healing and, and, and I feel that the book called that to me because of the state of consciousness I was in. So it’s just amazing because the course teaches and that’s something I want to talk about today. I know that it’s not about form or creating or creating the Mercedes or creating this, which is gonna be such a popular topic here. Um, because I think that a lot of people are doing that. So it goes to the first question, which actually is one of the questions that I feel I want to really exposing it out there because this is something that I feel a lot of core students struggle with and also also with this book which is called, which is this thing of the conflict of desire and trusting.

Maria Felipe:                        10:18                       So how can you be in the desire jam, for instance, like in the desire of wanting to create inform and at the same time trust. Does that make sense? So how can I be the desire, right? I wanted to. I desire. Let’s give you an example. I desire. For instance, Christian has this line of love rope, right? His, his jewelry line, I desire for love rope to make $10,000. I desire for it to be popular or whatever. And at the same time, trust and not want to manifest because this is not about manifesting six. So confusing this whole thing about that you’re in the world and you’re not of it, but at the same time you have to pay your rent. So that is the question because I feel that a lot of us suffer with that. I get it because I’ve been practicing it for a long time. Trusting and allowing spirit to show me the way and I think ultimately is not letting things informed define you. I think that’s the trick or that’s the answer, but I wanted to get your perspective of how you can have desire. I’m really want something inform and be okay with letting it go and allowing it to kind of flow, but but not having to control because I feel that we want to control or manipulate the outcome

Jayem:                                      11:40                       you’ve led. You’ve actually revealed a lot of the. Why is the answer for your question in how you stated it. Let’s begin first with just that in our current state of consciousness, we often experience conflict. Give that a deep breath and go, wow, I know that I’m wanting to awaken and surrender into the divine plan for me, which takes great trust, but the whole dream of separation began because we elected not to trust our creator and replaced it with our own dream. Our own substitutes are on idols, so we have what I think, and of course he told Helen, he referred to it as split mindedness, so the first step is just to accept that this is occurring within us. We do experience a split minded state. I’m in way of the heart as you know. He has a beautiful lesson on desire and learning how to fully accept the innocence of desire, learn to feel it fully be moved by it because this is what begins to happen as we give ourselves to our desire, whether it be a Mercedes, whether whatever it is in the world, it’s all innocent.

Jayem:                                      13:07                       It’s all beautiful. Our experience that unfolds from that desire will itself purify and deepen the soul’s true desire, which is to return to such trust that everything of time, body, breath, thought is utterly surrendered to God’s plan. Who alone really knows how to manifest and provide all that we need in our journey. So, so the. It’s a question of trust. We could just remember that of course, because I have separated and birthed fear, there is a part of me that actually doesn’t trust that the father will provide for all things and so we tried to insert our will via the energy of desire, but underneath it is the question of am I really willing to trust my creator? Now I can’t just simply give up like, okay, I’m not going to pay the rent this month. I’m going to sit here and let God handle it.

Jayem:                                      14:20                       Zach, that fact, quite the solution that I can get honest about the desire like wanting Christians creation to blossom and create income, beautiful. Now can we give ourselves to that trusting that everything that unfolds as a result of it will be orchestrated by the Holy Spirit in a way that deepens our own growth and shows us a little bit more of where our consciousness may not be trusting and come into a great alignment. One thing Joshua helped me to understand was there is nothing you create or attempt to make that cannot be offered to the Holy Spirit, and if you offer to the Holy Spirit, truly it will be used to serve the atonement, whether it be jewelry, a starbucks franchise or whatever it might be. Here we are in the world of are making. Can I take the world I’ve made an offer it to the Holy Spirit and move forward with my desire and knowing that this is how the Holy Spirit will orchestrate or we’ve exactly the most important learning lessons that helped last saw so we can trust our journey here in this world. We don’t need to oppose it or fight with it in any way.

Maria Felipe:                        15:51                       So this is what I’m hearing a little recap is that wanting things inform, you know, wanting to manifest or create inform such as the Mercedes such as a bracelet or any income. Isn’t that bad? You know, it’s not, it’s not bad. That’s the first thing. I feel that sometimes as a core student, even myself, sometimes I have felt, oh my God, I shouldn’t want that. You know? And I think that, I think that that actually doesn’t help because it’s like saying the same thing as telling a person that’s sick, hey, this world is not real. That’s not helpful because for that person it’s very real and it’s actually not loving either. So I feel that, you know, we are in a world of form and we are going to want things inform. That’s part of the duality. So I feel that the healing comes in, hey, it’s okay.

Maria Felipe:                        16:44                       I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m actually right now I’m, I’m, I’m feeling like I want this car. Right? And at the same time it’s being aware of it and, and, and working with it and understanding, I feel ultimately is that to come into this space of okay to understanding that at the end of the day, it’s not even about the car. Is that even about love rope? It’s not even about the money. It’s the experience is going to give you the lesson so that you can go ahead and remember that symbol and cry. Just saying that you’ve never left the mind of God. Exactly. That’s, that’s where we’re heading here. Right?

Jayem:                                      17:28                       Absolutely. If we, let’s stay right there because what you just shared is so very important. The mind in split mindedness can begin to say, read the course in miracles. Way of mastery. The same duality takes place in our consciousness regardless of the path we are attracted to, but yet in the course in way of mastery, makes it very clear. God is in everything I see. Love opposes nothing. It enfolds embraces, allows so that the forms of time become translated into what expresses and extends love. For instance, if you take a course in miracles and hold onto it, you’re holding a book. It exists in form. It’s written in English, tiny little, little letters and thin pages and lots of texts, but within it is that with serves the transformation of consciousness. So what’s wrong with it? Why I opposed it? It’s. It’s a beautiful gift that Christ Christ helped bring into form in order to reveal that God is in everything.

Jayem:                                      18:47                       I see. The power of love cannot be defeated by fear. So the symbols that we create in our lives are expressing really frequencies or vibrations of consciousness. We can learn to imbue all things with the choice for love and then offer them to the world until the Holy Spirit and in this way the a. At the end of the chorus, he says something very beautiful toward the end you said that heaven and earth will pass away, means only they will cease to exist as separate states. There’s no reason to oppose form or world or creation. Our goal is to collapse the ego so that creation through Christ, so fuses everything we can celebrate. We can enjoy our Cuban coffee going, oh my God, God is in everything I see.

Speaker 3:                               19:52                       I don’t feel I really do feel God as in my Cuban coffee, fine French wine, and

Jayem:                                      20:01                       so the whole point is we’re really on a journey of overcoming separation and realizing that only God is right here, right now, this cup of coffee. God is in everything I see, and one word you used as you were describing it, is something that he points out in way of mastery. You used the word, oh, I shouldn’t be wanting this, but that’s actually an act of opposing. Being honest with yourself and without a in the way of mastery says there are two qualities that we have to develop, which means in the dream of separation, we pushed them away. One of them is humility. I did not create myself, therefore what I call my life and my sense of it belongs to God, not to me. That’s humility. The second one is self honesty. Turn and become genuinely honest with what’s real. For us. I’m scared, I’m lonely. I do desire a business that succeeds. You know, that’s what’s real. Can I give it a breath? Relax and embrace it rather than opposing it. Offer it over to love so that it can be used for loves purposes. That’s what. And that’s when our, when our making begins to come into alignment with God’s creation, beauty and it reveals that God is, it helps everybody wake up.

Maria Felipe:                        21:40                       Yeah. I feel that’s, that’s very helpful. Um, because I feel that the eagle could, you know, we use it kind of like we feel guilty or guilt, you know, we’ll use it. For instance, like I’ll use my husband as an example. I feel that sometimes he, he feels like he, he’s rejecting his desire because he feels like, you know, he’s not supposed to do that, you know, the yesterday he said, well then what? Then I might as well just sit home and do nothing. And I go, well, that’s coming from the ego space because what happens is, is that it’s your, your, your cigarette actualizing it, you know, in the, in the mind. It’s been intellectually yet. It sounds like that. But no, it’s of the heart. It’s more of coming into your heart, which I think sometimes for men it’s hard because men are taught in society to be the providers.

Maria Felipe:                        22:28                       Especially now that he’s married, he has a child. So all of a sudden his papa bear’s coming out, you know, of I want to provide, um, the caveman. I need to go hunt. And he, he’s right now in such conflict of I need to provide for my family, but at the same time I’m supposed to trust. He’s like, what the fuck, you know? So I feel that what’s going on now is, is, is what’s it, what I’m hearing, which I feel it’s helpful and for viewers to know is first of all, to have you humility and one of them is to have self love and being loving towards yourself by accepting the feelings. And I feel that Christian doesn’t do that. He’s also German. So he’s taught to suppress his feelings and he, he, he doesn’t go there and I think will be so beautiful and it will be a healing for himself.

Maria Felipe:                        23:18                       And also the relationship to be like, Hey, I’m scared. I’m scared. Or I actually, you know what Maria, I would love for love rob to make 10 grand and kind of declare that and at this time, you know what? I’m willing. I’m willing to give it over to spirit. Now. I’m willing to let go of the fear and willing to let go of, of like this has to work, but at the same time get honest that he would love for it to work, that he will love for it to be successful. I feel like we our feelings and actually on the liver, you’re happy. In my book I talk about that. I talk about feeling your feelings is something that’s so vital for the healing and that is being spiritual. You know? I feel that what we do is, Oh, let me not feel my feelings.

Maria Felipe:                        23:59                       I want to be spiritual. I want to have cheerleader happiness. I want to pretend you know, instead of, I feel like shit right now. You know, I always say authenticity is sexy. It’s one of the sexiest things ever. When you really call yourself on your stuff, that’s what I’m hearing. I’m hearing one is two. It’s okay to want things of form and actually when we deny them, this is something I didn’t say. When we deny them, we’re denying the opportunity to heal because we can’t look at it. But when you look at it and you embrace it, you get to heal within that experience of that symbol. Like embracing that you want the Mercedes and going there and seeing where that takes you.

Maria Felipe:                        24:41                       So I think, I think it’s just, it’s so cool like the practicality of it, because I’m all about the practicality, you know, and I’m making this easy. I always say easy is normal in truth, in spirit, in Eagle, not so much, but when you start to, as you say in your book, in all three of them, um, as, as Joshua says through you so beautifully, is that it starts to get really easy when you do things with Holy Spirit and it, and it gets, it gets fun, more fun and more peaceful and more peaceful. Really. But, you know, I wanted to discuss with you, it takes something. You know, and what I, when I, when I say that is because I feel that a lot of people want change, but not really. Is that correct?

Jayem:                                      25:36                       Oh boy. Is it ever. I remember St Gustin who one of the Christian fathers as he wants it, became aware that his real prayer was, God grant me salvation, but not just yet. I don’t want to have to change because remember the ego. We’ve made it our identity. I am the thoughts of the ego. The Ego resists its own demise and change and sort of fear of change is actually a fear of the radical transfiguration in the seat of our soul from ego to Christ, but he has and that’s a journey we all go through. It’s like, yeah, I want more God, but I don’t want to have to feel my feelings, but love opposes nothing. And one of his core teachings is simply this. Love allows all things, trusts, all things, embraces all things. If I’m feeling fear and I tried to repress it or push it away, now I’m in Split. I’m not in a state of love and only love can heal. So say you’re mentioning we can use. Since Christian’s not here, we can use him as an example.

Maria Felipe:                        26:55                       Let’s do it.

Jayem:                                      26:57                       I had a friend that came to our Ashram in Bali. She was from Germany. She finally said, I think this work is taking the German right out of me because she was learning to feel and trust it all and know that God is even in my sadness, my fear that needs to be felt so I can recognize it so I can bring it like a child onto my lap and trust it, and when we embrace and feel fully, revelation and guidance always comes from that. But if we denied and push it away, we actually block the Holy Spirit from really coming into our lives. It’s pretty important to you and you said it beautifully. Learning to feel fully is an absolutely necessary step in a genuine spirituality because love opposes nothing.

Maria Felipe:                        27:58                       I also think that within the feeling is the awakening because I feel that that’s the best way is to, is within the feeling is when you start to, at least for me, I start to feel and I actually called Holy Spirit and to feel with me and um, it meets me where I’m at. Yes. And I feel its presence and its embrace and it shares things like I got to and I know this is really hard for you and understands, understands my needs and forum actually. And it’d be like, it was a point that have a funny story that after I had the baby, um, I was so overwhelmed and there was so much going on with sleep deprivation. There was a lot going on with scheduling, with understanding my baby while he’s crying. There was a lot of things going on and I call it, like I went straight to the spiritual university right away with him.

Maria Felipe:                        28:49                       And I started to play the spiritual limbics like I, it was like the time had come to really put this into practice, put the course of miracles and to practice in high gear even if I didn’t want to because if not I was gonna lose my mind. Not In a good way. Like I was losing my shit. What I did was, is that I started to be very mindful and I told Christian, listen, I need you to watch the baby for 30 minutes and I need to go meditate. Because this is what’s going on here. I have no communication with spirit right now. So I it to the nursery. I sat down with spirit and I literally sat with the Holy Spirit and I said, Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit literally shut me down and said, I know exactly what you need. Don’t even waste your energy. I was like, what?

Maria Felipe:                        29:34                       He’s like, yeah. He’s like, he’s like, you’re just overtired. Don’t worry. You don’t even have to explain it. I exactly what you are asking of me before you even ask it and I’m here for you. And I was like, oh, let me go. I need to talk. That means I don’t need to think. No, you don’t get to talk. You don’t get to think. You just have to be. And I was like, wow. And that spirit. And I feel that that takes discipline. It takes practicing. It takes really wanting change. I mean, there is a point that you have to say in this experience of, of, of that we’re in, in the world, in this world that appeared, we appear to be in his.

Maria Felipe:                        30:18                       You have to really want it, you know, to to a point that you’re like, I’m done. I’m done with the suffering. I’m done without forgiving. I’m done with not taking responsibility of being a victim and I am ready to experience God and and I’m going to forgive you if even if I don’t want to and I’m going to take responsibility even if I don’t want to buy my little self. Of course you also, I’m going to go to the. I’m going to go over there to the other room, to the nursery and I’m going to meditate even if I don’t want to, even though I have better things to do. Right? So it’s just I think that that were so on discipline and that’s what I love about your books at that Joshua spoke through you in such a beautiful way again, is because they really help you with the processes to really practice and bring this into the experience and with live you’re happy.

Maria Felipe:                        31:12                       That’s why I call it live. You’re happy. It’s living it and embodying it without compromise any longer and that’s what ray mastery does. It brings you into living it so much soul in such a practical way that you get up in the morning, you go, this is my favorite process, actually share it in my and live and live your happy a little bit. I tweaked it a little bit of where you go in the bathroom and you brush your teeth and you feel yourself brushing your teeth and you just are pr. You practice it and you put your feet on the floor. You feel the floor. I mean, how many of us do that?

Jayem:                                      31:44                       Nobody. You’re actually speaking to the heart and soul and essence and Jeshua or Jesus’ message. Then it can be misunderstood. It’s easy to take some statements out of the course and misunderstand them as though love opposes form. It doesn’t. Our journey here is to come to know we are Christ. We can’t do that except exactly where we are. We’re here to incarnate love, not opposed farm hoping that we will then get to learn. If it’s not while we’re brushing our teeth, where are we going to go to find it? If it’s not in embracing sadness and trusting that this wave of energy is simply restoring me balance and wholeness in revelation, if I don’t find it here, where am I going to go to find it? If I don’t care enough to create the discipline to do it? He said, seek first the Kingdom of heaven and all things are added to take that time for meditation, prayer to bring everything going on with then you to the altar of the Holy Spirit to feel it. Trust without practice, we don’t really undergo the radical change that he’s calling us to.

Maria Felipe:                        33:16                       That’s beautiful. Talking about practice and discipline, which is what I’m hearing, there’s a lot of exercises in the book that that gesture jesuits shares with us. Actually a few of them in each section because we have the way of the heart, the way of transformation, the way of knowing. So within these sections, these chapters, there are different processes and exercises and my question is how can you do these without being overwhelmed? Because I feel that there’s so many of them and and for me, my mindset, my mindset is of course the egos like, oh my God, I have to do all of these or, or I need to do the right or all these like Dutchman and it gets very overwhelming. So for those people that are going to see the interview or have the book are going to buy it, I just would love for them to have an idea of how to do the exercises. So I’m processes they’re not overwhelming.

Jayem:                                      34:12                       Well, here’s the, the helpful answer. After being overwhelmed and struggling and fighting with it for years, you know, in my own studentship, if we remember that when you’re holding way of the heart, don’t be in a hurry and other words, what’s being presented to you is being given by him to you on your journey. And he very, he’s as you know, he’s such a master teacher in the way of mastery. He lays things out so beautifully. He invites us into a practice. If we just take a breath and go, this is all I need to be with just this one practice. Now and just become a good student and the words of the second practice, the stepping stones, they’ll come to us as we’re ready for them, but the, if you want to call it the success of say, the 29th practice that he gives depends on the quality of our students ship with the first one, so just with that and trust the Holy Spirit knows how to use my time with this to generate the deep inner alchemy at levels beyond which my mind can’t even grasp. That is what will open and prepare me for the second one. So did see it as a gentle journey. He’s taken our hand. He knows how to lay out the stepping stones. It’s just up to us to trust each one and not be in a hurry. And yes, the ego mind will go, I gotta get it right. Oh, this cannot be God’s thought. I can slow down and trust the process.

Maria Felipe:                        35:57                       Yeah. I think that within that process is, is, is actually also a practice because within you taking your time to read is also so helpful because they added know for me, I get so excited and I start reading and I’m like, I want to get to the next section there. That is the next title that is his calls me and I’m like, oh, I want to read over there. So it, it’s, it’s like, it’s like the ego doesn’t allow me to just be with the words that are at hand, you know, and then what I started to do was just what I did, which I’ll share with everyone here. What’s really great about what Joshua shares, it’s fun because he’ll say things like, why don’t you get a new journal and the new pen and put the journalist sacred space. And it gets really, really fun.

Maria Felipe:                        36:41                       So I did this. This is mine. This picture is Stephanie gave it to me. It’s from an artist called Nanette, which I’m actually going to have on this show in a few weeks. And um, she does this beautiful artwork. And um, so I put this on the Journal, this is a ninety nine cent store journal and I just put Jesus on it so it looks kind of fancy. And um, so actually this, I started this, this particular journal in January of Twenty 15, so this was the first thing and um, what I did was, is I would read a section so it would, I would force myself to read a section, whatever that section was and sometimes it wouldn’t be the whole section because it might be too long, so maybe I’ll read a paragraph or two, then I would write my interpretation or what I got out, what stood out for me for the lesson and how I would want to practice it. So I’m going to go ahead and just share anything that might come through here and, and if it gets a little racy, I’m sorry, you know, because I do get a little personal here so it’ll be entertaining. But let me see here what, let me just read a little excerpt. Um, um, let’s see here.

Maria Felipe:                        38:02                       Okay, this is cute. This is funny. So I put here. So let’s start here. So less than 13, so I dunno if we want to share, there’s different lessons, is that correct? Yeah, him,

Jayem:                                      38:14                       yeah. There are a series of 12 lessons, 12 and way of transformation. 11 in way of knowing.

Maria Felipe:                        38:22                       Okay. So it says your lesson 13. So I wrote here pure spirit. So I’m assuming that it’s, maybe that’s a title I put here, pure spirit. And then it says, um, I put, we’re not a body. There is more than the IC. I’ve looked through Christ’s eyes around the edges when I read this before I did it in my yoga class. So I practiced this actually my yoga classes, I remember it was hot yoga, um, and it brought my attention to the present moment automatically, right when I started doing that and I was not. And then I was in this attitude that it’s not all about me attitude. So I stopped. It was so cool because it wasn’t, it was, I felt like this. It’s like, here I am doing yoga and in quotations, look at me. It was so meaningful because it wasn’t about, look at me, you know, it was that even about me at that moment.

Maria Felipe:                        39:13                       It was all about extending love. Yes. I’ve also tried it in the car, although not not effectively yet. I am concerned about the person thinking I’m staring at them so that these are things that come up. Right. I will continue to practice this. I wrote, I like the way of fields and then a responsibility. So there’s a part that talks about responsibility. So I put, I assume responsibility for each moment what I am doing, thinking, etc. All that I experience is coming from me. I Am the creator. I can connect with other minds and send them love without saying a word. I will try this exercise on page one, 61 about the traffIc jam. So you talk about a traffic jam, right? So we’re at a traffic jam and and you say if you want to just share real quick, what is it that you say about traffic jams and the consciousness?

Jayem:                                      40:11                       What you mean when he says, yeah, what are you said? Sorry about that. What he says, I haven’t actually looked at that specifically for some time, but we can take any context and approach it differently. The traffic jam is an opportunity to attune, to send love, to feel what’s beyond the edges of our habitual experience. I’m lost in a traffic jam. Damn all over. my plan is being interrupted. Yet god’s plan is doing quite well. Yeah, you’ve been stopped and now you have an opportunity to radically change how you are in that moment. That’s what he’s trying to lead is to. We can attune to the drivers next to us. We can arrest in breath. We can actually. Well, frankly, there are infinite possibilities. We can actually hear the thoughts of others. We can see they’re a soul. All potentials reside within us. If we’re willing to just engage the practices so that that change can blossom.

Maria Felipe:                        41:19                       That sounds so much more delightful than sitting into traffic and making it very real.

Jayem:                                      41:27                       We’re actually makIng real is the belief that my plan should not be interrupted.

Maria Felipe:                        41:34                       That is such a great way. That’s a beautiful way to say it. It’s true. It’s. It’s like we’d rather be somewhere else, right? So wherever you thinking, we’re not even present. We’re just thinking of when we get home, we get when we get to cook that we wouldn’t want to be there. My god, look at that person, look at this track. Whatever I put here again, I’ve put um, this seems so cool. So that was experienced with the chat for dentists. I’m also going to tap into the outer edges, everything, um, and recognize I create my experience. I am responsible for my time and no one and nothing is, is accepted for me. Um, if I think or do something, it’s my choice. So again, it’s taking that responsibility, which I love what I’m doing on a daily basis. That doesn’t work for me. I guess there’s this, there’s this process of what doesn’t work for me, waking up late and thinking the same old kaka thoughts.

Maria Felipe:                        42:33                       So kaka his shit by the way up. So shit. Thoughts such as I can’t attract romantic love. So this is before I met christian. So this is going to get to goofy though. It’s impossible. I’m not good enough and something is wrong with me, so this is so beautiful because here is like I’m feeling my feelings and I’m getting really real about them. Not the real, but like I’m calling them out. Um, I stay in bed because I don’t want to face a world. I am fucking scared and that’s, that’s all changing though because I’m declaring now. So here I step into my power and it just makes me want to cry. Just thinking about it. I’m such a sensitive, sensitive person. I’m, I’m declaring, which is actually a quote in your book which I love. I am loved and I am loving and I am lovable forever.

Maria Felipe:                        43:28                       Some declaring that also I am committed to waking up early and change up my routine. Again, these are formed things, but these are foremen symbols that we use to wake up, like we can actually use it. Right? and then it says here, maybe go for a hike in a new place or work from my computer and another part of town I feel to play, to get out of my box. Also have fun wIth thinking about romantic love in another way, such as it’s easy, super easy. listen to this. Super easy to attract a hunky spiritual off the hook. Holy man. So this was in 2015 and I attracted christian in 2017 and I have to honky man’s. Now I have my hunky christian. I had my hunky army. So this book is off the chain. That’s all I got to save people and you go out and buy it because she was on fire through. Really,

Jayem:                                      44:32                       it really is. It’s a. I love what you said earlier. It’s practical. It brings a blossoming of genuine spirituality into what we call her ordinary moments and transforms our view of the world. We really do come to realize what he says in way of knowing you exist in the infinite loveliness of the mind of god. right here, right now. You’re in it, and as you allow your practice and your desire and devotion to transform your consciousness, it becomes clearer and clearer that the truth is true. Got it.

Maria Felipe:                        45:15                       Beautiful. I wanted to ask you before we wrap it up here is what spiritual teachers do you like or what? Who do you follow if you follow? I know dash was your spiritual teacher, but informed. For instance, I have a very close connection with equitable. I love the way he teaches. Um, so I was just wondering if there’s anybody in form, maybe an India or someone that you look up to. I’m just curious.

Jayem:                                      45:42                       Well, over the years there were of course yoganonda various indian teachers because my path began with meditation and yoga and all that. Joshua has really replaced all of them and I deeply appreciate anybody eckhart tolle or whoever is involved in the journey of growth and attempting to find ways to convey what they’ve discovered to be helpful for others. One joshua helped me understand was that, and maybe this would be a great way to wrap up. He said that the only difference between a master and a student is that the master never forgets. They are a student of god’s love so well. To cultivate ceaseless studentship and allow the love of god to unfold my consciousness into ever increasing awareness of god’s presence and the ability to be moved in and buy that. So anybody who’s out there teaching god blessed them and I just hope they always remembered to be a student and not fall into the trap of thinking they’ve already learned or that they’re done. So I just appreciate everybody, but I don’t really follow anybody. I trust that the holy spirit, oh, I know it now will bring to me precisely what I need in each moment. Could be an eckhart tolle, a quote, then it’ll show up in facebook, go, oh, let me take a breath with. This might be something from somebody else. So really jeshua is my main, my main guru teacher. And the holy spirit is the one teacher.

Maria Felipe:                        47:35                       Yeah. I’ve, uh, I’ve grown to realize that with my, uh, my spiritual path and that’s why I think I stopped having this desire to read books or, or even just because I felt that I, um, I really got because of my practice and with um, which much joy I share that I started to cultivate such a beautiful relationship with holy spirit through pathways of light, which is aware I went to ministerial school and they’re not. Their number one thing is the whole curriculum is to be able to hear the holy spirit voice and that here it’s more like have a relationship with holy spirit of where you constantly give things over. I like to say the second, within the second. And, and, and, and let, let yourself be guided. There’s somebody that asked yesterday, I’m on youtube, I’m on one of my videos actually with carol, how I had her on. And this beautiful lady says, well, well, how can I hear spirit? Um, and I think that that’s something that is very common that everybody asks. But I think that you can’t really intellectualize that because when you say, oh, here spirit, you’re like, well, you know, people think it’s like a voice, you know, what does that for you? When you hear the holy spirit, do you hear it clearly a channeled or how does, how does, how does it look like for you?

Jayem:                                      49:02                       It can come in many ways. As we learn to feel fully, the body itself becomes a, um, like a tuning fork and often the holy spirit’s guidance is so. It’s like striking a gong in the center of my heart that vibrates through my body and there’s just a clear knowing, go left, go right, do this, don’t do that. Sometimes it comes as a voice or a thought. Seeing clearly in the mind, in the mind screen and the mind. So we have to trust that the holy spirit, which is real briefly, the whole what we call the holy spirit, was a translation from jesuit original aramaic word sham. And the sham is the infinite light pouring from the creator that’s above us, around us and through us. If we’ll just let go of our own thinking and be willing to receive it so it’s in that pure light that is everywhere is the guidance in every moment.

Jayem:                                      50:15                       Breath is one of the most important things I’ve learned from joshua, the willingness to breathe deeply so that everything softens and opens as he says in of transformation. The body is simply the depth of unconsciousness that you have made with the power of the mind, so we learned to open and feel the body itself has transformed into this tuning fork. I don’t know how else to say it and we can literally feel we’ve become much more sensitive to the nuances of energy through which the holy spirit is speaking to us. It’s not just words or a voice, it’s often a resounding feeling and the quality that I’ve come to learn is of the holy spirit, is that it has always felt in the heart. It’s knowing is immediate. There’s nothing to explain or rationalize. There’s just simple knowing it’s time to give up chocolate for a week. Okay. There’s just a knowing that that’s the call and you simply follow that.

Maria Felipe:                        51:28                       Yeah. It’s like a feeling of, it’s like, you know, it’s the highest and best and there’s no really questioning it. It’s like, you know, that, you know, kind of feeling.

Jayem:                                      51:37                       No. It’s a note struck from a crystal glass. It’s immediate.

Maria Felipe:                        51:43                       Yeah. And it’s. I love. How do you call it? You said jim shim. Sham.

Jayem:                                      51:49                       Sham. We could spell it. Sag. Sham, the shim is everywhere. The light is around you, below you, above you. As you. If you set aside your own plan and thinking that light will provide for you the guidance and every moment.

Maria Felipe:                        52:11                       Yeah. Sham is, is beautiful, is gentle and loving and always going to meet us where we’re at. I’m going to go ahead and to close. I’m going to just open. Open this up so people can have like a little little, um, feel. And let’S see what spirit wants to share. Let’s see what dish will wants to share on the channel today. I’m okay.

Maria Felipe:                        52:39                       Alright, so I have this highlighted, so that already tells you something. Let’s see. So this is a practice. I don’t know what this thought or this image or this emotion or this memory is for, but I do know one thing I have made a commitment to reawaken as christ. Therefore, I will use this one moment, this one thought, this one passing phenomenon to practice what I was created for, to bless creation and thereby transform it into that which extends the good, the holy and the beautiful, infinitely eternally with joy, with innocence, with graciousness, with peace, and with marvel as a great mastery that love is, and that god is nothing else needs to be said exactly. Thank you so much for being here. I feel that this video is going to be very helpful. Um, and I love to collaborate with, um, with other of consciousness and this within the consciousness, um, to be able to wake up more and remember that we’re in the mind of god and that’s what really matters at the end of the day and in every moment and with every breath. Wonderful a dear brother. I love you and I appreciate you and, and I’m excited of what this video will bring to to us.

Maria Felipe:                        54:30                       For us, there’s only one of us. Exactly. Alright. Thank you. And I’m really happy to be able to be on this happy train with you. And as I like to do both of us, we go two, two, two, two. Oh, right. Thank you everyone. As you know, I’m going to go ahead and on the comments below. I will write where you can find these incredible books. Um, I’m. jim actually doesn’t take credit for writing this. He was very adamant about sharing that it came through jeshua and I love that. I love that. He doesn’t compromise that. That’s beautiful. So I just want you to know that if you google him, you probably won’t find them, which says everything because I tried to interview him and I didn’t know where to find them until I finally got on facebook. So you can actually find them on amazon. We will put that link on the comments and also, as you guys know, I wrote this beautiful book called live. You’re happy that got a lot of inspiration from the way of mastery and um, if you guys want to grab that as well, that’s available. Um, if that excites you, alright everyone love you. Until then, remember to live. You’re happy because you are worthy. It’s your inheritance and it’s your function. Bye bye.

[INTERVIEW] How To Unwire your Mind with ACIM – Carol Howe – A Course In Miracles

by Maria Felipe

Transcript

Maria Felipe:                        00:02                       Hi everyone and welcome to Live Your Happy TV. I am so excited to be joining you today with an amazing course in miracles teacher. You guys are in for a treat big time and I mean that big time. She’s actually one of the elders. She is from back in the day, way back. She’s been teaching for over 40 years. She actually has taught with Kenneth Wapnick. She knows Judy Scutch. She’s, she’s an elder. Not only that, she has traveled all over the place speaking about the course of miracles. She has this amazing DVD set that we’re going to talk about today that makes the course of miracles nice and simple. She, um, she has shared the podium with an amazing teacher as well, built effort. Also Jerry Jampolsky. She’s written books, healing the hurt behind addictions and compulsive behaviors. She’s also written the book home ward to an open door exploring, exploring major principles of a course in miracles. She has over, as I said earlier, 40 years or more of studying the course and of course us students and teachers really appreciate her and her work. Um, she is, she has so much juicy details. She was a happy teacher. That’s why I wanted to have her on. You’ll see that she is just filled with joy and happiness and I’m going to pick her brain today because I just had a little one that was born at less than two months ago and I’m losing my mind so I am ready to come back.

Maria Felipe:                        01:42                       Carol, thank you for, for being with us today.

Carol Howe:                          01:45                       Oh, you are so, so welcome. It’s like if there’s not anything in the world, more fun as far as I concerned that I realized some people could find this strange, but being involved with talking about this material, leading people through it, doing counseling that relates to making it practical. I find it delicious and people would go what like, but I find that to be the most rewarding thing in the world and so I will continue until I dropped dead for awhile.

Maria Felipe:                        02:19                       I love that. Yeah. And I can see. I can see that your purpose, you’re shining so brightly. I can, I could see how much you enjoy this and you can tell. You can tell that you’re living it and I think that’s so important. Um, being a teacher as well and working with you and also following you has been very inspiring. That’s why I wrote live your happy because I wanted to write a book that’s living the course of miracles is living. You’re happy and I feel that that’s what you’re doing.

Carol Howe:                          02:46                       Yes. And you know, in the facebook live session that I did last night, I’ve done that, I don’t know, seven or eight up and it’s fun. And I said, you know, universe, how I was sent to sell something that nobody wants, which is peace of mind. You know, the ego says we want excitement, we want stimulation, we want whatever, and you think he’s of mind is boring. Who wants that? So our job as far as I’m concerned is to say, peace of mind is so not boring. It’s not like you’re sitting around doing nothing. It’s this wonderful sense of things are fun. You feel safe and feel included and, and much, much, much even better than that. When you get into the nonverbal experience, which is so beyond words, the the experience of silence in your mind is just beyond description, so I feel like part of our mission is to say peace of mind, which is the goal of a course in miracles is really worth pursuing. Don’t let your ego mind says no, no, no, that sounds boring. You should know by this time your ego mind. It gives you terrible advice.

Maria Felipe:                        04:04                       Don’t pay attention to it. I always say, how am I supposed to be a popular teacher if I teach that abundance is within you that you can’t find it outside of you, so you know because it’s beautiful. It’s actually the opposite of what’s out there and talking about that, how, how has. Let’s get right into it. How has the a course in miracles community and the message changed throughout the years because you’ve been around for awhile and I want to just be really honest in this interview. I want to expose everything. I feel that it has changed in a lot of people have gotten a little bit confused and have been using it for manifesting and creating stuff informed. What do you have to say about that? I would say that is so completely not what it’s about. It’s about,

Carol Howe:                          04:54                       you know, there’s a phrase in the Bible that says, seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all else will be added unto you. It doesn’t say both for all the added unto you stuff and then something else might happen. In other words,

Maria Felipe:                        05:07                       if the reason why

Carol Howe:                          05:11                       people miss the point so is that we’re operating out of an incorrect premise about how life really is and here’s the major misunderstanding and that is people know something about what our thoughts pause our reality or our thoughts cause our outer life. That implies something happens and then something else happens. The part that’s not correct about that is our outer world. That means the things we perceive, the things we see, the things you know, the experiences we get into, what we could touch, what can smell, but we can hear

Maria Felipe:                        05:51                       are not

Carol Howe:                          05:52                       a result of our thoughts. They are our thoughts in form. They are one what we think of as invisible thoughts and what we think of as our outside world. It’s not that they’re identical, they are one. They are to shall we say expressions of one thing and the idea of trying to do some sort of magic in your mind and make your outer world be different. Hopefully more abundant and the case that you’re you’ve just used is impossible as long as you have self hatred, as long as you feel like somewhere under there, you don’t want people to know who you are, that you’re unworthy and all kinds of beliefs that we brought with us from our pre verbal days or for a lot of people we don’t even know they’re there and the fact that they’re unconscious doesn’t mean they aren’t still driving the bus.

Carol Howe:                          06:53                       So the idea that we can have an outside so called outside world that is in any way divergent from our inside state of mind is a hopeless, meaningless past. It’s impossible to do. It’s it. It’s, it’s, it’s no more possible than my very favorite example which you’re standing in front of a mirror. If you stand in front of a mirror with your nice black dress on and you look in the mirror and you say, I don’t like that black dress in there, I just require that you have on a green shirt. It’s like, well, how successful will you be? You can pray, you can threaten, you can do all kinds of things and nothing in that mirror is going to change until you change your clothes. Now another important thing about that mirror is the mirror doesn’t still images. It never occurs to you. When you stand in front of your mirror, when you got dressed with whenever you got dressed, it didn’t.

Carol Howe:                          07:55                       You didn’t sneak up on the mirror like, I dunno what’s gonna, be in there or maybe there’s maybe yesterday’s image will be there. No Way. You’re absolutely confident when you stand in front of a mirror, it’s going to show you what you look like at that moment and our world is always going to show us or represent us. What we believe, doesn’t matter. If you believe something, you think you’re hiding it, there’s no hiding it. Your world shows up as your thought process. What do you find? So it shows you basically what needs to be healed as well. Yes, absolutely. So if there appears to be lack, if there appears to be in harmony, if there appears to be difficulty, then what the course tells us is this is a trigger. This is a mirror. This is I call the world of like a great big diagnostic.

Carol Howe:                          08:54                       You know how you stick a body in an Mri to say what’s going on in that body, your outside world. Again, we must put that in quotes is like a great big diagnostic that says, here are the nature of your thoughts. Do you like that? So to try to change an outside form without first looking to see how we’re hurting ourselves by listening to the advice and counsel of that ego mind is hopeless. You can’t do it. It’s an impossibility. It’s like demanding that an image in the mirror change, it’s never going to happen. So,

Maria Felipe:                        09:35                       and how does that relate to what the world will call manifesting manifestation, the secret, stuff like that?

Carol Howe:                          09:43                       Well, what’s missing is this understanding that I am always manifesting, if you will. I mean obviously my world is my manifestation of my state of mind, not my wishlist. You know, if it’s a manifestation of what I actually believe at that second, because everything is experienced in the moment. Now, if I have a radical change of mind, you know, like if I suddenly realized, Oh, I’ve been putting myself down all my life and there’s really no reason for it. In other words, if we begin to change our minds, then you don’t have to worry about how do I manifest? It’s automatically going to change. You don’t have to instruct the image in the mirror when you, when you looked in the mirror today, when you change your clothes, you didn’t have to say, listen, mirror, I need to explain to you that you need to show up as a black dress. It does it automatically.

Maria Felipe:                        10:42                       Wow. That’s so powerful. You know, it’s, it’s interesting because back in the day when I was in my early twenties, I was going through a little, well basically a depression and I had, you know, I had it all like the physical world. I had a TV or whatnot and I remember that I was in one of the worst states of mind and at the same time in my external world, I was creating all this like amazingness, but I couldn’t perceive it. I couldn’t, I couldn’t experience it that way. So as a national show, I had a French boyfriend, I had the money in the bank, but even though that was happening, I couldn’t. How do I explain it? I couldn’t experience it as, as abundance as, as

Carol Howe:                          11:29                       so. And that’s why it’s impossible. It’s impossible to divorce what’s happening in the world of form and what’s happening in your state of mind, which is why, you know, if you go back to that very simple little prayer that’s at the beginning of the course that was for built that for the one that says, I’m here only to truly helpful. Remember that, you know, it’s very early. So the second chapter someplace, and in any event, you know the history of that is interesting because bill was required, required. He was invited in the medical center medium, go deliver a presentation to a big group someplace and it was not quite his area of expertise. It was close to it, but not quite. So he didn’t want to do this anymore than he wanted to fly out the window. He didn’t even like to talk to big groups anyway.

Carol Howe:                          12:26                       And so he was very concerned about embarrassing himself not knowing what he was doing or something like that. So Helen picked up, you know, God for him this little prayer that said, Bill, here’s the deal. Rather than worrying about whether you’re smart enough and know all the right material enough, keep this in mind and say to yourself, I am here at this meeting only to be truly helpful. So it doesn’t matter about what I say or what I do because he who arranged this meeting, you know, he who sent me is going to direct me, you know. So I think that is so applicable to all of us is like I’m here only to be truly helpful. Those two key words only it doesn’t say I’m here to be helpful sometimes when it’s okay with me to do that and the rest of the time I don’t care if I’m helpful or not or maybe I especially don’t want to be helpful.

Carol Howe:                          13:29                       It’s like, well that that will not work out well in terms of how you’re our world shows up. And then that other key word is so that truly helpful and only helpful, so truly helpful is following your intuition. It’s following that loving kind of guidance. It’s not explaining to other people how they ought to be different. That’s not helpful. You know, there’s a lot of so called fake healthfulness like I’m going to tell you how you would be much better off. You know, I’ve got your answers kind of thing. So you know, if we stuck with something that was that elementary and just thought everywhere I go am I focused on being truly helpful both to others and to myself. We cannot leave ourselves out because I’ve done so much counseling over the years and so many times people will complain and complain about all the things they have to do and I’ll say, did you put yourself on the list of the people you need to do for and care for and be there for?

Carol Howe:                          14:36                       It’s like, no, or I’m at the bottom of the list. Well, it’s like that tells you a great deal. That tells you a lot about how that person is not honoring himself or herself not being only truly helpful to him Sir himself or herself, so this isn’t really rocket science can really, if you’re interested in find out pretty quickly those places where you’ve listened to your ego mind and you decided you wanted deserving, you don’t want anybody to see. Remember, there’s a lesson that starts out. You believe that if people who could see who really are, they would run from you as if from a poisonous snake. That’s a pretty big statement of course is known for its pretty big radical statements, but I’ve met so many people and they’re not even all core sticks. You know, people have done counseling with over the years, much less than classes and every place else is that quiet is the hallmark of human beings is a mix of the things we believe about ourselves and too much of what we believe about ourselves.

Carol Howe:                          15:51                       We don’t think of it as a belief. We think it’s the truth about ourselves is that we are in some way inadequate, not okay, don’t measure up, etc. Etc. And thE purpose of the course, I call it a spiritual technologies since everybody’s in a lot the technology, great, let’s call this a technology. It’s like for rewiring our brains so that steadily through doing that drumbeat of the practice of the lessons, you are literally creating new neural networks. We obviously hAve to talk as if we are human beings on the planet. We can’t go right to. That’s not what we are, where you can’t jump from a to z. That’s a process to get more deeply into our true. So we have to start where we think we are not really actually are. Does that make sense?

Maria Felipe:                        16:47                       It makes a lot of sense, especially, you know, because it’s, for what I’m hearing is basically undoing the ego and I feel that it’s a gentle process, a gradual process. It’s not a onetime event. It’s a process started to distinguish what the real and the unreal and I and it is. I feel that people want to get, you know, like you said, from a to z so quickly and you know, that’s why the holy spirit, I feel so gentle with us and actually even knows what we need. It’s so funny because recently with having the baby, I, I, I, like you said earlier, I don’t know if everybody heard, but carol also has two boys and she says, the first three months it was all a fog. That’s how I felt. My first month. Everything was such a fog and I, I sat, I sat down with holy spirit and I was so tired and I was giving holy spirit over all my thoughts and just doing this process. And I remember holy spirit saying, don’t, don’t say anything else. I know exactly what you need and you’re tired. You’re already tired. I know exactly what you need. I feel like, you know, spirit just, just knows, um, you know, it’s so beautiful and it’s always there for us to hold our hand and to guide us towards, back to god. And I feel at the end is, it’s god’s will. And um, I think unfortunately we want our will not god’s will. Absolutely.

Carol Howe:                          18:09                       You should. As you get older and older and older, hopefully you realized, you know, what, this egos advice and counsel is terrible. When am I going to go? What’s the big idea and why am I listening?

Maria Felipe:                        18:29                       I said that the ego is, um, talks a lot of cat guy, which is shit. Yeah, absolutely.

Carol Howe:                          18:35                       Absolutely. And it, you see, nobody escapes from needing to heal woundedness because even at the world of time and space level where we appear to be. So we have to, we have to make a concession where we think we are. We inherit guilt and fear through our dna, through our ancestral lines. So from the moment of conception, we take on woundedness. So there’s not like, there are some people who have wounds to heal and others who don’t. Every single person, I like to think of it as there’s really no such thing as individual karma because there’s really no such thing as an individual, so you might say, well, we each have is our own slice of the karmic pi to heal on behalf of everyone. Now, don’t ask me how we get a signed our pie. That’s kind of irrelevant. What happens is we each come with our own fear and our own guilt, which is going to show up as unfortunate or difficult or are unhappy circumstances in our lives and it’s our job as quickly as possible to begin to put two and two together properly to begin to connect the dots in some way and the courses brilliant at doing that of helping us see, okay, and that’s.

Carol Howe:                          20:12                       And that’s why of all the teachings of nonduality and there are. they’ve been around for thousands of years. The course is unique in focusing on relationships as iron fast track to first discovering what we’re doing to ourselves, discovering what that woundedness is and then what to do about it

Maria Felipe:                        20:36                       would agree. Relationships. There’s a book that I read right when I became pregnant and it was 10 at hopkins, will have you heard of it, um, to uh, it’s called parents and children are most difficult classroom.

Carol Howe:                          20:51                       No, but they certainly are having little kids was without a doubt the most difficult time of my life, you know, because I was very successful until my kids were born because I deal with rational adults. So that’s like nobody in my generation or my parent’s generation knew anything about early childhood development. Nobody knew really about the cycles that chIldren go through. And so most parents, even today, most parents are kind of clueless about how to respond, but what I realized was having irrational ones, you babies and little kids around triggered stuffi need that adults just didn’t trigger. so you might say for me, babies and little kids was a major spiritual practice and I got in touch with distressed that I had no idea I was carrying around with me. It was the best thing that ever happened. It’s also a best thing that ever happens that your kids grow up in the general climate, shall we say, of the course of miracles because my kids are middle aged now at this point and they were five and seven when I started doing the course or actually a little bit younger than that and I never forced it on them.

Carol Howe:                          22:18                       I thought everybody’s got their own spiritual path. They might decide to be buddhists for all I know rather than, but they grew up in the climate, shall we say, of a course in miracles. It very well. The best thing you can do for your kids is get your own act together.

Maria Felipe:                        22:37                       I agree and I love that you say that. Cause I, I have been going through some challenges ever since our little one was born to be able to balance career and I’m able to balance. I’m just in my life in general, so I always say that ever since my baby was born, it’s been like a spray, like a spiritual olympics. You know? I am so beyond grateful even though, you know, I get sad. I could even cry right now. I get sad, my hormones are out of whack, all these things are going on, but at the same time I’m so grateful because he’s bringing out so much in me. So much love. I’m growing so much. It’s like it’s like taking me to the next level and it’s absolutely hard, but at the same time I’m the happiest I’ve ever been. absolutely no artist ever.

Carol Howe:                          23:28                       I remember one time when my kids were very little before they went to school, I looked at them one day and I thought I can see myself exactly split into. I’m exactly like this one and I’m exactly like this one. You know, there are no accidents that we end up with the kids we end up with and you see if all of us knew how. I wish I had known this in my early days because I kind of was never much ever upset. I mean, up until the time I had kids, wife was pretty much always highly successful. What can I say? There was, you know, an occasional little heartbreak here or there, but basically life was good as far as I was going to do the same and the and the thing is is that the circumstances will come along and for many people it’s having kids.

Carol Howe:                          24:18                       It’s that’s not true for everybody and what that circumstance does is drive up into your awareness some upset, some, so some things that we believe and so on that otherwise we would never be able to access and if you cannot access them and if you don’t know they’re there, you cannot take the steps to heal them. That’s why our relationships, whether it’s with our babies, our neighbors, our spouses, some other country, it doesn’t matter what you’re relating with. It’s why whenever distress accompanied, shall we say, a relationship, it’s because that person or situation is triggering. It’s kind of like whatever defenses we may have up that person’s, we’ll call it their behavior, their energy field or whatever gets behind our defenses and pushes that button. We what the course will keep telling us over and over and over again is another person does not cause your upset.

Carol Howe:                          25:27                       Another person Will be such a match to what you feel guilty about, what you have buried in your unconscious, that, that it’s, it’s going to be this, you might say in the beginning like the match made in hell, and I don’t mean just your partners. I mean you know somebody would have to deal with like once in your life and it’s an upsetting experience. The upset is because my guilt, my unfinished business is being brought into my conscious awareness by this other triggering person or event. If we can get over the idea that other people cause are upset, they do not cause it. They trigger it. We, we are in a relationship and it’s bringing this up. That is the most important distinction you will ever make. Other people do not cause you’re upset. They trigger your own guilt, your own upset that you got often shoved down there and your unconscious mind where it’s wrecking your life, causing that lack of abundance and you know it’s there doing its damage until you find a situation like this, you know, so the, let’s just call it, if some distress is coming up. Now, when this news circumstance of your life, it’s like you go, thank you god. This distress is just really not a baby and it’s really not about work. it’s bringing into my awareness something I believe that’s short circuiting that here I need to take a look at this. Change my mind.

Maria Felipe:                        27:14                       Yeah. I’ve noticed. I’ve noticed how this amazing new experience in my life, how, how easy it is to go into victimization, how easy it is to go into not being responsible help. It’s just amazing. I’m like, oh my god, it’s gone to shit and just somehoW second and it’s. And then I get the free. The thing is, is that I’m not so aware of it, which is beautiful because I get and I also have a very conscious partner, christian that also studies, so it’s beautiful to be able to have these really deep conversations that heal together and to see how we still want to put our guilt on each other. Um, you know, I did This for you and I did that for you. I cooked for you or I cook for you or I put the baby to sleep. It’s all this guilt ridden.

Maria Felipe:                        28:03                       It’s like my house is right now, of course in miracles on fire because we are going deep and deep is like bring it. I say christian, let’s say bring the healing like I would because I feel that I feel, I feel like I’m finally living, you know, and, and now this is what matters. You know, before it’s easy to practice the tools. When life is practice, when nobody’s bothering you, have like a bed screaming, you know, for a long time or you, you know, you have your, your partner, you’re thinking he’s doing something to you. That’s what. It’s hard to practice. So I am so grateful and within the challenge because it is challenging and I’m very honest about that. Within the challenge I can see the beauty and that’s what’s so beautiful because I keep on remembering constantly. I’ve never left the mind of god and the whatever image I’m seeing is just taking away my piece. It’s just trying to take away my peace of god, which is my inheritance. Which

Carol Howe:                          29:04                       you know, since since your, since your lessons for the next few years anyway, are going to be intimately involved with your children and there’s going to be many phases of that when as part of this big, having little kids as a spiritual practice thing. Here’s an interesting story I’m going to pass onto you. I think I’ve written about this but it’s very important to hear. We had a next door neighbor neighbors and the older sister in this family was our primary babysitter and there was a little brother in the family who was about five years older than my older son at the time and he used to be at our house all the time and I didn’t like this boy. I wouldn’t been able to exactly tell you what I didn’t like about him, but I didn’t like it because when they would start to play he was enough older, enough, bigger.

Carol Howe:                          30:00                       Somebody would end up getting encouraged. Somebody would end up crying and always just felt like bedlam when he was around. So I thought, I so don’t like this kid. And so I wasn’t mean to him, but I would tell him to go home and that there was a six foot fence between their backyard in iris, so I’d run him out the front door and I’d look at their using the backyard and he’d crawl over the fence and they would be back in my yard again. It was like, I can’t get this. Talked to his mother who was very patient with me, you know, about this situation. And one day I thought, what is it that I object to about this kid might let’s say if my boys were baby two and four and possibly he was nine or something like that. And I thought he’s too hard on my kids.

Carol Howe:                          30:54                       And other words. That was the phrase that came to mind. I went bingo. I feel guilty about being too hard on my kids. Not wrestling around on the floor with them, but I felt like maybe my expectations are too high. Maybe it’s just I’m hard on because on the one I’m doing or something like that. But then when you see the phrase that I use to describe what I didn’t like about him was the key to finding that guilt within myself. And once I really recognized, I think I was sort of aware of it, but this consolidated my understanding of this and I thought, you know what, obviously I make a lot of mistakes as a, as a mother, but I am doing everything I know how to do. I’m, I’m, there’s nobody who wants any more than I do to be the right kind of mother for my kids.

Carol Howe:                          31:54                       And I started being nice to me and it’s like, yes, I’ve made all sorts of mistakes, but. But my intention is to love and care for my boys and do the very best I can for them. And with that realization that I was the one who was hurting myself by feeling guilty about that, I want you to know instantly hank was gone. He just never showed up anymore. After all of those times, I ran him out and didn’t want him to be there anymore. He was gone because my guilt was gone. He was playing out my guilt. I let go of my guilt. I would sometimes go for two months and not ever seen. He just suddenly had other places to go other people to play with. That’s the way it works folks. It can change that dramatically. Wow. Wow. The situations to be the pointer that they are to where you are still undermining your own peace of mind by feeling guilty, by feeling not worthy.

Carol Howe:                          33:03                       I feeling like you can’t let anybody know who you are. That Sort of thing. It’s like, don’t forget your. Your so called inner thoughts and your outer circumstances are identical. They are the same thing. As long as I let go of that particular guilt, there’s no possibility of it being manifest in my outer life. In fact, as his older sister got older and went off to college, we occasionally had him come over and babysit. our kids weren’t quite old enough to be left alone when we had to go someplace and that’s a miracle there. It happens all the time. That way I can’t tell you the number of clients that I’ll get an email from an they’ll go, you’ll never guess what happened after they had some great difficulty with, you know, a family member or whatever it is, whoever just they have trouble with and they really let go of what they’re doing with themselves and then all of a sudden out of nowhere this person shows up.

Carol Howe:                          34:07                       They’re kind, they’re appropriate, they’re nice, and they go, what happened? It’s like what happened is you let go of your own as you let go of some of your own self condemnation and your world automatically cannot reflect it that way. And I have a question in regards to what everyone. If you’re just tuning in, I’m speaking to carol, how we’re talking about a course in miracles, which is my favorite book and spiritual practice and I wanted to go ahead and ask you carol, what is your favorite workbook lesson? Oh my gosh. I couldn’t possibly have a favorite part of workbook lesson like especially since I had just recorded all 365 of them with commentary. I Decided at the end of 20, this is 2018, I decided the last week of december of 2016. It was like the intuition go goes, you need to record the lessons. I go, you’ve got to be kidding with everything else on my plate.

Carol Howe:                          35:15                       That’s hundreds of hours of recording because you didn’t. I mean, it takes a while to decide what needs to be added and what commentary needs to be done. It has to be recorded, has to be edited. It has to be uploaded. It’s like hundreds and hundreds of. I thought, when am I going to spend hundreds of hours of this? It was like record the just like, okay, and so I did and it was several hundred hours worth, but it was very clear that it needed to happen and I’ve gotten that because of that. I’m in love with all of them. I’m so invested in all of them and I have gotten so much feedback from people who are doing those lessons that clearly we’ll call it intuition, guidance. Spirit knew what they were doing and I said, listen, if I do less than number one, I’m committed all the way through lesson six, 365. I can’t stop in april and say I’m too busy to go on so that it was very clear like, these lessons need to be recorded. I have learned to listen even if I don’t know why or how things are going to turn out. When my intuition slash guidance slash holy spirit speaks, I listen.

Maria Felipe:                        36:37                       Yeah, and it starts to get a lot, I think more loving and happier because you start to trust them. You get out of the way of trying to control, manipulate, make things happen and allow. I like to say instead of it, if you’re doing it, you let it allow you, allow it to be done through you.

Carol Howe:                          36:57                       Yes. You allow it to be done through you and you don’t want. You’re not only happier, you’re a lot safer. I will tell you a really fast little story. I think I did this on something not long ago, not long ago. I was driving home on a very busy street, three lanes of traffic both ways, stopped at a light. There’s a guy in a truck ahead of me and he’s got it looks like appliances in the back of his truck and it’s so full that the, that the tailgate is down and he’s got it all tied up across the back. Mostly I was aware of how furious this guy was. It’s almost like you could see smoke coming out of his truck. Not real smoke, but like anger coming out of his truck and I could see looking in his rear view mirror and he just had the fear area scowl on hIs face.

Carol Howe:                          37:41                       Okay, so the light changes and we start. This is a very, very busy street. There’s no way I can escape being behind him. So after going about five blocks or six or so, we’re now back up to 40 miles an hour plus all of a sudden the same voice. That’s not really a voice. It’s annoying. That said, do those lessons back there now says start to slow down. Put several very specific, put several car lengths between you and that truck because that washing machine on the back of that truck is going to fall off, so I do, as I’m told, I start to slow down several car lengths of the people behind me. I’m sure I know because I don’t know why I’m starting to slow down in this busy traffic. Sure enough, soon as I’m back a safe dIstance that washing machine falls off the back of that truck, crashes to the ground and bounces. We ever saw a washing machine bounce when it gets so hard. If I had not listened, I would have been close enough. Either the washing machine would have fallen on my car or I would have been close enough to it because he screeching rapes. The minute it happened, it could have been fatal. It could have been awful. It could have been a terrible situation if I had been a normal car length behind this truck. So listening to your guidance is a very smart thing to do.

Maria Felipe:                        39:13                       Thank you so much carl. This has been so helpful. It has been so helpful and I know a lot of course students and also people that are looking into a course to see what it’s about are going to get a lot out of this video. I wanted you to share quickly a couple terms that I’m going to say. I’m going to ask you about. Let me know what each one is very briefly, so it’s going to be kind of like a fun little little quiz. So the first thing is what is the ego based on the course of miracles? In a few words,

Carol Howe:                          39:45                       the ego is a collection of programming in our own brain, so it’s a collection of unexamined notions that we think are the truth and they’re not. What is the holy spirit? The holy spirit is the. You can call it your, your, your guidance, your intuition, the sense of I am right now. You can say, I am myself. I recognize myself. Isn’t that true? don’t you exist right now? You’re aware of existing. You’re aware of being alive right now. Okay. That sense of being you, did you recognize it was the same knew that you were yesterday when you woke up. Everything’s different in the in the world of form, but the I am this where you can say, I recognize myself as myself. Is that the same yesterday, the true self. You’re saying you’re the only. The only thing that, in other words, there’s only the self.

Carol Howe:                          40:46                       In other words, the bunch of programming that we call the ego is only that. It’s a bunch of programming, but every one of us recognize ourselves as ourselves. We never stopped to think about this the same self yesterday when you were 10 years old. We recognIze the I am this of ourselves, the presence. You can call that the holy spirit. The presence of us is what we are. The presence in this moment with that you are and that is costless. You have no beginning. You have no end. This is the most amazing thing that nobody ever pays any attention to. We actually exist affordable for no reason. There’s no. There’s no pause. If there were a pause that preceded us, that would somehow be more than us and it doesn’t exist. So it’s like, wow, you know, and it definitely feels good. It feels wonderful and the more we can go in this moment, I exist in this existence that I am you safe.

Carol Howe:                          41:58                       It’s peaceful, it’s loving. Joy is built into it. This is my inheritance. It’s what I am. And the whole purpose of the undoing of the ego is really the unlearning of these false beliefs about myself. Like I know good. I’m only the person. I’m. Nobody’s going to like me if they know who I really am. that’s what I call flatter thinking. In other words, just like the hypothesis is wrong, like the hypothesis was wrong in the 13th century when people said you’re going to fall off the edge of the earth if you go out there and dragons will get you if you fall off. The edge. Things that they allowed themselves to do was based on a hypothesis that was just plain false and we’ve lIved our lives on a hypothesis that’s just false and it’s the undoing of the false hood that this forces for.

Carol Howe:                          42:52                       That’s beautIful. What is forgiveness? Forgiveness is letting go of the grievances and the noise in our own minds. Forgiveness has nothing to do with anything else. It’s not, pardon me, it’s not you did this thing and I’m hurt, but I’m better than you are, so I’m going to get over it. It’s letting you see the thoughts in our minds about what I’m pushing against. What I think I have to have in order to be happy are all those grievances, all the noise in the mind, the blocks to the to the awareness of what’s involved in the silence in our minds. So forgiveness is letting go of the noise in your own mind, specifically the grievances because most of them, most of the noises about grievance and what is a miracle, a miracle is that shifting in the way we experience things. That allows us to be aware of the presence of love, which is the only thing that’s here, in other words, so it’s another way of saying what happens as I let go of the noise and the blocks and the thinking, thinking, thinking in my own mind.

Carol Howe:                          44:06                       It’s a law. It’s a way of being in the world that allows me to know with certainty that love is all there. That’s beautiful apparel end to end. I usually ask my guest, how do you live? You’re happy feral. Oh, well, I think I said that in the very beginning. I lived my happy by first of all knowing no matter how much I have, I fall off my horse someplace in any moment I start all over again. The past and future do not exist only right? This moment exists right here is where happiness is. Stay present, be helpful, love what you do and what can I say?

Maria Felipe:                        44:48                       I love it, carol. Well, I’m happy that we are both happy. Train together

Carol Howe:                          44:54                       for some reason. Somebody is coming in my house. Oh dear. One of those little kids who’s now grown is coming in my house. So in any event, I do want to let people know that we have wonderful online courses at one is see how I grew up, which is the dvds you’ve got are a big online course with all all. I’m so rather than physical dvds, they’re an online course with a very extensive workbook and if you want to get a headstart for practicing the course, this is it. It’s got animations, it’s got great big teaching props that really make the major points clearer than you’ve ever seen them before. And also last year I filmed an online program with jerry, jim polsky and his wife diane. He was the founder of attitudinal healing. We’ve been friends for 40 years, so jerry and diane and I created a great attitudinal piece. It’s the only time they have ever filmed anything like this, so you’ll certainly want to pay attention to that as well.

Maria Felipe:                        46:05                       Well, we’re definitely going to be paying attention to you hot stuff because you’re. And if you have a real difference

Carol Howe:                          46:12                       called you there with that baby, you call me. I’ll give you lots of my hard one advice.

Maria Felipe:                        46:17                       I’m going to take them to take you up on that and we’ll definitely share all the wonderful tools that you have. Your website is carol, how that’s how e.com. We’re going to be sharing them with our audience and thank you so much for sharing your lights and for bringing. I’m just this whole message of a course in miracles. It’s such a practical way. You are very inspiring and, and we love you. You’re such a light. So next time,

Carol Howe:                          46:47                       dear. Alrighty. Love you.